And, Hiro as a sword-wielding, english-speaking badass from the future? That's just classic!

I went into geekasms over this. I kept rewinding it and watching it over and over. It pretty much solidified me as a lifetime viewer from this point on. Which unfortunately means the show is doomed, because nothing I really like stays on the air for very long.

I went into geekasms over this. I kept rewinding it and watching it over and over. It pretty much solidified me as a lifetime viewer from this point on. Which unfortunately means the show is doomed, because nothing I really like stays on the air for very long.

You, too, eh? All of my true favorites seem to drop off the face of the earth quickly. Either they get cancelled never to return or made unavailable by switching to another station. Recently it's been "Battlestar Galactica" and my cable company yanking SciFi from basic cable. Cancelled shows include "Keen Eddie" and "Firefly" (both FOX shows, of course). Also, "Cupid" starring Jeremy Piven was incredible but died much too soon.

Note that these shows were quality shows that didn't jump the shark and suffer from glaring plot holes, poor writing and inconsistent story lines. I loved ALIAS, but it went off the deep end. I still love 24, but it too often is forced into a corner with gymnastic writing to get the storyline back on track. I'm afraid that LOST & Heroes will suffer the same fate. LOST is seeming to have problems with the overall story... but I'll reserve judgement as long as Hurley is still alive.

You, too, eh? All of my true favorites seem to drop off the face of the earth quickly. Either they get cancelled never to return or made unavailable by switching to another station. Recently it's been "Battlestar Galactica" and my cable company yanking SciFi from basic cable. Cancelled shows include "Keen Eddie" and "Firefly" (both FOX shows, of course). Also, "Cupid" starring Jeremy Piven was incredible but died much too soon.

Note that these shows were quality shows that didn't jump the shark and suffer from glaring plot holes, poor writing and inconsistent story lines. I loved ALIAS, but it went off the deep end. I still love 24, but it too often is forced into a corner with gymnastic writing to get the storyline back on track. I'm afraid that LOST & Heroes will suffer the same fate. LOST is seeming to have problems with the overall story... but I'll reserve judgement as long as Hurley is still alive.

Fox has made some strange decisions. Dark Angel, for example, received a lot positive attention during it's first season and Fox rewards it by moving it to Friday night. While the stories did become a bit too monster-of-the-week I think the move to Friday was the main reason ratings dropped (I liked the show but was not home every Friday night and missed a number of episodes that season). Friday night is the wrong night for science fiction shows. So Fox replaces Dark Angel with Firefly because it was by Joss Whedon (though I seem to remember Fox was set to cancel Buffy and that other network picked it up for another two or three years). Like Firefly was going to attract more of an audience on Friday night than Dark Angel. But they don't air the pilot, they don't air the episodes in order, they weren't thrilled about the concept anyway and end up cancelling it after about nine episodes. Yet both shows sell well on the DVD market and have inspired numerous websites so clearly there is an audience. Is this the same network that aired the X-Files? What did they think that show was about? I guess they didn't think it was science fiction or they would have put it on Friday night at 8pm and cancelled it because of poor ratings. Come to think of it, Fox aired another series by Chris Carter (I can't remember the name, it is not Millennium) on Friday night and cancelled it after about three episodes.

I hope Heroes is given a fair chance to be a good show. Here's to NBC not being a bunch of twits. So far so good.

my friend, who's a TV critic (sorta) says that Friday and Saturday evening is the death spot for any show. That is where you put shows that you don't care about, just looking for an excuse to to off them.

Fox does that a lot. Dark Angel, Firefly, Wonder falls, John Doe and a bunch of others that i don't remember of the top of my head. With Firefly, there was almost no promotion. The episodes were shown out of order. And it got moved to the death spot. It was as if FOX wanted it to fail.

TV is a cut throat business.

my friend, who's a TV critic (sorta) says that Friday and Saturday evening is the death spot for any show. That is where you put shows that you don't care about, just looking for an excuse to to off them.

Fox does that a lot. Dark Angel, Firefly, Wonder falls, John Doe and a bunch of others that i don't remember of the top of my head. With Firefly, there was almost no promotion. The episodes were shown out of order. And it got moved to the death spot. It was as if FOX wanted it to fail.

Which may have been exactly that -- they wanted it to fail!

I gather that management of Fox TV have a rather authoritarian bent. What better way to stifle an anti-authoritarian program than to pick it up and sabotage it?

How many cancelled TV series have ended up being turned into a major motion picture?

TV is a cut throat business.

Which is why I haven't watched it in more than 19 years.

Ken V.

Which is why I haven't watched it in more than 19 years.

Ken V.

That's admirable. I wish I had the self-discipline to stay away.

And I fully believe that FOX killed Firefly on purpose.

That's admirable. I wish I had the self-discipline to stay away.

My wife and I never watched much television, so in October of 1985, when a Santana blew the antenna down, we never bothered to replace it.

In late '87, we subscribed to Cable TV because we wanted to see the interviews and such leading up to the Americas Cup races in Australia. When that was over, we found the Arts and Entertainment channel, which was pretty good. In june of '87, the cable company discontinued A&E, and we discontinued cable.

Haven't watched a thing since. Can't even pick up a TV signal.

So, it's not so much self-dicipline as it is a lack of interest combined with an act of nature.

And I fully believe that FOX killed Firefly on purpose.

So do I.

What do you want to bet that Joss never does business with Fox TV ever again?

Ken V.

I'm with you guys. Anything I like, gets cancelled or changed around so much that it sucks so bad that it gets cancelled. Or put on Friday night so that it gets so few viewers that it gets cancelled. Even worse, it could show up on Saturday night.

I like Science Fiction, not fantasy. I will occasionally accept something from the horror/supernatural genre (like Repairman Jack).

There is a series of books where some elite S.W.A.T. type police start wasting anybody with superpowers that doesn't register and go to a detainment camp. Now that would be television series.

my friend, who's a TV critic (sorta) says that Friday and Saturday evening is the death spot for any show. That is where you put shows that you don't care about, just looking for an excuse to to off them.

Fox does that a lot. Dark Angel, Firefly, Wonder falls, John Doe and a bunch of others that i don't remember of the top of my head. With Firefly, there was almost no promotion. The episodes were shown out of order. And it got moved to the death spot. It was as if FOX wanted it to fail.

TV is a cut throat business.

A few exceptions: The X-Files, Dallas, Miami Vice.