Right. I guess I can't discount that possibility. Although the MIB did not seem like a person that would willy-nilly kill everybody in sight. And the smoke monster does. Yes, the MIB killed his "mother" but well she did try to kill him first.

I had not thought about the point you made earlier about how the whole village got wiped out and how the well got filled up / destroyed. That has me confused also.

Yeah, I can come up with a ton of questions, but I can't answer a single one.

Awesome, EPIC episode! I loved it and while it did raise some new questions, I think some of you are overthinking the answers we got last night.

Last night's episode answered a few questions....and then gave me a whole bunch more.

Ok...who saw that MIB and Jacob were twins?
And yes.....you can't give MIB a name? Really? quigglemouth:
So...if the brothers can't kill the other...Jacob sent MIB down the river..snicker....to his death in the light.
So now we have a smoke monster from MIB that can't kill Jacob. I'm gonna have to watch it again.....I know I missed something.

I guessed that they were brothers particularly because of the tone of their conversations, but I did not see that they were twins. I thought that was a very cool twist.

I think it was important that MIB was not given a name. First, it shows how "not all there" the fake mother was. Second, who wouldn't look at the world a little more negatively if they hadn't even been given a name, for pete's sake. I did think it was odd that neither Jacob nor MIB himself came up with a name for him, though.

The more I think about this episode the more I feel it was just Darlton trying so hard to prove that they had this planned from the beginning. I really don't think they had it as planned out as they want it to be believed.

I disagree. Everything we saw last night fit right in with the entire series. It didn't feel "forced" at all.

Right. I guess I can't discount that possibility. Although the MIB did not seem like a person that would willy-nilly kill everybody in sight. And the smoke monster does. Yes, the MIB killed his "mother" but well she did try to kill him first.

I had not thought about the point you made earlier about how the whole village got wiped out and how the well got filled up / destroyed. That has me confused also.

MIB did become the smoke monster - his soul or spirit or consciousness or whatever you want to call it was transformed into that form when his body was killed.

Jacob couldn't truly kill him because their fake mother set that up. Which means that Jacob sent his brother to a fate worse than death. Wouldn't that make you a little angry and bitter - enough to take it out on all the outsiders who annoy you since you can't kill the guy who did it to you?

I'm certain it was the fake mother who killed the villagers and destroyed everything. I think there was much more to her than we were shown last night, unfortunately. I have a ton of questions about her that I suppose will never be answered.

One thing I was glad to see was vindication of everyone who has felt all along that Jacob wasn't all good and MIB wasn't all bad. It was made pretty clear last night that they both are somewhere in between.

I also think last night answered why Jacob is so determined to prove that people can gain redemption. After sending his own twin brother to a fate worse than death, Jacob needs redemption more than anyone.

What I really want now is a spinoff series for the timeframe between the end of last night's episode and the beginning of the series. There's some very interesting territory to explore there.

I disagree. Everything we saw last night fit right in with the entire series. It didn't feel "forced" at all.

I don't think it was really forced. It certainly all fit, I just feel like it really wasn't planned from the start as they want to make it out to be. It more seemed to me that they took what they set in place before and then decided to lay this story out by those guidelines rather then the other way around. I don't know just how it feels, could be and probably completely wrong. :p

What I really want now is a spinoff series for the timeframe between the end of last night's episode and the beginning of the series. There's some very interesting territory to explore there.

Completely agree the actors who play Jacob and MIB are just great to watch. Perfect casting. I would love to see a whole series of MIB's hatred building for Jacob and the many tries by Jacob to prove man's good.

Also how does Jacob become so all knowing from this point to the series beginning?

Completely agree the actors who play Jacob and MIB are just great to watch. Perfect casting. I would love to see a whole series of MIB's hatred building for Jacob and the many tries by Jacob to prove man's good.

With you on that all the way. They are phenomenal actors and there's so much potential material in continuing their story.

Also how does Jacob become so all knowing from this point to the series beginning?

That's definitely one of the big questions I have after last night. That and...

And how many years passed between the end of last night's episode and the start of the series? Hundreds? Thousands?

How long had the fake mother been there alone (growing more Rousseau-like) before the real mother of the twins arrived?

Just what was the fake mother? A priestess? A goddess? A witch or magician? Had to be something with at least some magical power, but what?

There are more but I need to get busy with work. Later!

At the very beginning of the episode. The real mom was speaking Spanish...the other was speaking.....Egyptian?

I think the twins real mother was speaking Spanish, but I need to go back and listen. I believe the fake mother was speaking Latin at first. I think. Not sure about either.

What a murderous trio we saw last night, each capable of murdering their nearest and dearest, ostensibly. Oie vey. What a group to be guarding something so very precious. Though exactly what it is and how precious it is, we aren't sure yet.

I like the idea of whomever said it earlier that the fake mother was a smoke monster. As a simple human female, she'd have to be pretty canny and pretty strong to burn down an entire village and kill everyone in it and receive not a scratch in return. Guess that's how she knew that going down into the hole to see the Light would bring a fate worse than death, 'cause that's what she received, I bet, when she went down the hole whenever she went down the hole. Sort of like a really, really wiggy Alice in Wonderland-down-the-rabbit's-hole.

But wait! How could she be killed if she was, indeed, a smoke monster? I thought they were unkillable in their "human" form, like the current Locke is. Maybe it's that special knife? But that special knife didn't work on Locke.

Oooh oooh, maybe the fake mother was able to call the smoke monster, like Ben did when he went to the creepy basement of his Dharmaville home and called up the smoke monster to come get the Frieighties. Yes, I bet that's it! The smoke monster could have filled in the well and burned down the entire village.

For me, from the beginning, Jacob always seemed to have a not-quite-right look on his face, what I call a sidewinder look, like all is not as it seems and watch out, I'm about to trick you. Yet, despite what my gut was telling me, I wanted to believe that he was all good. But this show has always shown that no one is all good and no one is all bad, not even the real baddies.

There is no one, not a soul, on this show who is without guilt or without guile, except for Hurley. He is the person who deserves to lead and/or protect the Island, if, indeed, that is a good job to have. I'm not so sure now.

I think the twins real mother was speaking Spanish, but I need to go back and listen. I believe the fake mother was speaking Latin at first. I think. Not sure about either.

What a murderous trio we saw last night, each capable of murdering their nearest and dearest, ostensibly. Oie vey. What a group to be guarding something so very precious. Though exactly what it is and how precious it is, we aren't sure yet.

I like the idea of whomever said it earlier that the fake mother was a smoke monster. As a simple human female, she'd have to be pretty canny and pretty strong to burn down an entire village and kill everyone in it and receive not a scratch in return. Guess that's how she knew that going down into the hole to see the Light would bring a fate worse than death, 'cause that's what she received, I bet, when she went down the hole whenever she went down the hole. Sort of like a really, really wiggy Alice in Wonderland-down-the-rabbit's-hole.

But wait! How could she be killed if she was, indeed, a smoke monster? I thought they were unkillable in their "human" form, like the current Locke is. Maybe it's that special knife? But that special knife didn't work on Locke.

Oooh oooh, maybe the fake mother was able to call the smoke monster, like Ben did when he went to the creepy basement of his Dharmaville home and called up the smoke monster to come get the Frieighties. Yes, I bet that's it! The smoke monster could have filled in the well and burned down the entire village.

For me, from the beginning, Jacob always seemed to have a not-quite-right look on his face, what I call a sidewinder look, like all is not as it seems and watch out, I'm about to trick you. Yet, despite what my gut was telling me, I wanted to believe that he was all good. But this show has always shown that no one is all good and no one is all bad, not even the real baddies.

There is no one, not a soul, on this show who is without guilt or without guile, except for Hurley. He is the person who deserves to lead and/or protect the Island, if, indeed, that is a good job to have. I'm not so sure now.

Your whole messege pretty much sums up why this episode frustrated me so much. There is so much racing through my mind that we just have no idea. This would have been a great episode if this was early in this season, but it's not. We only have two episodes left and I feel more confused then I have in a while.

There is no one, not a soul, on this show who is without guilt or without guile, except for Hurley. He is the person who deserves to lead and/or protect the Island, if, indeed, that is a good job to have. I'm not so sure now.

Totally agree with every word of this. Hurley is the only one that seems to be totally "good." And I don't think it's a good job to have. I think the fake mother was extremely glad when MIB killed her - she even thanked him for it. She was beyond ready to have that responsibility lifted from her.

MIB did become the smoke monster - his soul or spirit or consciousness or whatever you want to call it was transformed into that form when his body was killed.

Jacob couldn't truly kill him because their fake mother set that up. Which means that Jacob sent his brother to a fate worse than death. Wouldn't that make you a little angry and bitter - enough to take it out on all the outsiders who annoy you since you can't kill the guy who did it to you?

Maybe. I'm still not convinced though.

Maybe it's the village and well scenes that still have me doubting it. Those things happened before MIB died but it seems there was already a smoke monster. Unless we believe the fake mother destroyed that village herself and filled in the well. Which I would seriously doubt unless she was a smoke monster also. Which, again, I'm not saying isn't correct. I just don't see that as having been answered yet.

The well gets filled in...yet the wheel does get set. Who sets it? Jacob? see...more questions...lol

The well gets filled in...yet the wheel does get set. Who sets it? Jacob? see...more questions...lol

That is at least one of a smaller question. My guess would be is smokey got some other losties to finish it, on one of the other attepts by Jacob to display good in people.