Paul R Wrote:And that's exactly what I'm saying. Yes, you start with a 1, but in a calendar year, there are twleve months that come before that 1.As I see it, there twelve months that are included in that 1. The year doesn't have to be completely over before you can give it a number. You can say that this is the year 1 in February, just as easily as you can in December.
Quote:A year goes 12 months and only then does it become the first year.A year goes 12 months and that year is over. It doesn't have to be over before you can give it a number.
Quote: And so a decade does that ten times, the tenth time being the 12 months of the tenth year, only becoming the 10 after the 9 years plus the 12 months have passed.Granted that the 11th year doesn't start until the 10th year is over, but this doesn't have anything to do with the fact that (when counting) one begins with the whole number 1.
Your move!
Paul R Wrote:Well I do feel kind of guilty for potentially hijacking the thread (but my choices would be Lost and.... sorry, I'm not too sure about a movie) but I have often wondered about this confusion (mine included, hence me putting a lot of thought into it) about when a decade/millennium starts and finishes.Only if the first year is the year ZERO.
I remember back when Y2K came and went - a lot of people at that time said we were all celebrating at the wrong time.
But I'm pretty sure I've got it right -
The First Year: 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.8 0.9 1.0
The Second Year: 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 1.8 1.9 2.0
The Third Year: 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 2.8 2.9 3.0
So you see, the 1999th year would go: 1998.1 ..... 1998.9, 1999.0
Which would make the new millennium start at 2000.0
Paul R Wrote:Last year ended as a whole number (2009.0) and this year started as 2009.1 and counted up to 2009.9 and then when the year is complete, the whole number is complete: 2010.0, the two thousand and tenth year.Actually, (to use your example) last year ended as 2008.0, and this year began as 2009.0. When this year ends, it will go from 2009.9999999999999 to 2010, and 2010 will be the final year of the decade. When it becomes 2010.999999999999 it will roll over into 2011 which is the beginning of the next decade.
KRW Wrote:Is this like saying that when a baby is born they're not 1 year old untill their first birthday and they're not 10 until they're 10th birthday?Exactly. To say the same thing with different words: When we say that a baby is one year old, we say it when (or after) the baby has lived for one year. Until that time, the baby is living in its first year, but is not one year old . . . as yet.
I'll add this, they're not considered 1 until they've reached a year, but it is still their "first" year of life. So on and so forth.
Ken Valentine Wrote:Only if the first year is the year ZERO.Bloody hell.
If the first year is the year zero, then (and then only then) the final year in the millenium would be 999 (or 1999 in this case.)
But being as years were numbered starting at 1, then the final year of the first millenium would be 1000. The second millenium began on January 1 of the year 1001, and ended on December 31, 2000. The following decade (and millenium) began on January 1, 2001, and will end on December 31, 2010.
Ken V.
Paul R Wrote:Bloody hell.What I've been saying is that this is the year 1, no matter what part of it you happen to be in. And at years end, the year 1 is over and you start on year 2.
So there I am, reading through your other posts - the ones directly preceding this one - thinking to myself, 'He really doesn't get it, but how can I possibly explain it any better or clearer?'
And then I read this post. Twice. And then a third time. And now, after strolling around on the net looking for clues, I'm reading it again. And you know what? I really hadn't realised that the first year began at one instead of zero.
To make it clearer in my mind, this is what I've discovered, and I believe this is what I think you've been saying all along:
Previously I stated that the first year went: 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.8 0.9 ultimately becoming 1.0 at the year's end.
Quote:But research now tells me that it went 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 1.8 1.9 2.0 - effectively missing out the whole year that I was using to prove my point.Now I'M getting confused.
Ken Valentine Wrote:As I said, there was the year 1 BC, and the next year was 1 AD, there was no year "Zero."It's okay - I see what you're saying.
Ken V.
AlvinFox Wrote:Just to throw in my two cents. I think what is implied is the ending of the '00's. The Aughts, The Singles, The Double Zeros, whatever you want to call it. When VH1 does it '80's specials it refers to the time from 01-01-1980 to 12-31-1989.
Also, cannot a decade just mean "a period of ten years" that can start at any point?
colburn0004 Wrote:For the sake of the thread and sanity how about we just say the best movie and tv show from 1-1-00 to 12-31-09, and remove the word decade lol. Deal?
Ken Valentine Wrote:Only if the first year is the year ZERO.
If the first year is the year zero, then (and then only then) the final year in the millenium would be 999 (or 1999 in this case.)
But being as years were numbered starting at 1, then the final year of the first millenium would be 1000. The second millenium began on January 1 of the year 1001, and ended on December 31, 2000. The following decade (and millenium) began on January 1, 2001, and will end on December 31, 2010.
Ken V.
Paul R Wrote:It's okay - I see what you're saying.Thanks Paul. I was beginning to think I was speaking in an unknown language.
Until you pointed it out, I had no clue that the first ever AD year started at 1. It just seems so wrong to miss out all the units that make up that one so I just assumed it would start at 0.1 and count up to complete the one. Honestly - missing them out just didn't even occur to me. And why would it? Why would they have done that... surely not just to catch me out?!
So yes, I see your arguement and you're right: if the AD count started at 1.0 instead of 0.1 (and research suggests that this is the case) then the millennium ended at 31 December 2000 and the current decade ends 31 December 2010.
webby Wrote:^ This.I must have missed AlvinFox's post: "Also, cannot a decade just mean "a period of ten years" that can start at any point?"
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