Susan Wrote:I don't know anything about guns except for what Ken and Lawdawg have taught me. LOL
However, I did have a freaky experience with the business end of a Glock once. I had this crazy Judo instructor who was also a cop. And one rainy day nobody showed up for class but me, so he decided to show me how to disarm someone with a gun. I was all excited because that sounded like fun.
But no fake guns for me! He brought his Glock, unloaded it in front of me and then pushed it against the back of my head. I protested and said that was probably not such a good idea even though it wasn't loaded, but he didn't listen and immediately got into his "bad guy" character and scared the poop out of me.
On the plus side, I learned how to disarm someone very quickly.
Susan
Biggles Wrote:He ignored the first rule of firearms: "There's no such thing as an unloaded weapon". That was incredibly stupid of him.
Susan Wrote:I don't know anything about guns except for what Ken and Lawdawg have taught me. LOL
However, I did have a freaky experience with the business end of a Glock once. I had this crazy Judo instructor who was also a cop. And one rainy day nobody showed up for class but me, so he decided to show me how to disarm someone with a gun. I was all excited because that sounded like fun.
But no fake guns for me! He brought his Glock, unloaded it in front of me and then pushed it against the back of my head. I protested and said that was probably not such a good idea even though it wasn't loaded, but he didn't listen and immediately got into his "bad guy" character and scared the poop out of me.
On the plus side, I learned how to disarm someone very quickly.
Susan
the Oracle Wrote:Anyone using a real gun is merely a bloated self-indulgent pig who deserves to be taught a lesson. And, since my sensei can kick Susan's sensei's ass, I suggest we get them together.
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-Rip
cobalt79 Wrote:Yow!!! NEVER, NEVER.....EVER point a gun...whether loaded or un-loaded...at anything you don't intend to kill. This from a police officer?? :confused:Tell me about it! It was a real shocker for me. We'd always used plastic (or was it rubber?) guns in class before. I've done tons of different martial arts styles and I must say I've never seen or heard of anyone doing that before.
Biggles Wrote:Responding to mere words (fighting words or otherwise) with force is a dicey proposition. I recommend restraint in such matters. Force is normally justified only for the defense of person or property, not feelings.Unless the words were to the effect of-
cobalt79 Wrote:Yow!!! NEVER, NEVER.....EVER point a gun...whether loaded or un-loaded...at anything you don't intend to kill. This from a police officer?? :confused:
Ken Valentine Wrote:I tend to look at this a little differently.
The firse general rule of firearms is that all guns are always loaded. This is of course a crock. All guns are NOT always loaded. However, whenever handing a gun to someone to examine, the first thing you always do is to show them that it is unloaded. You do this by unloading it -- even if it already IS unloaded. With a single action revolver, you pull the hammer back to half-cock (the loading position which allows the cylinder to rotate) open the loading gate, and slowly revolve the cylinder looking into each chamber in turn to check that it's empty. THEN you hand it to your friend, who in turn revolves the cylinder to double check.
With a double action revolver, you press (or pull, if it's a Colt's revolver) the cylinder release and swing the cylinder out of the frame. Then you look into the cylinder to see if it's empty. If it IS empty, you then hand it over (with the cylinder still out) to be examined by your friend.
With an autoloader, you FIRST remove the magazine, then lock the slide back. Then you look into the mag well and chamber to be sure that there are no cartridges in the gun. With some autoloaders, the only way you can lock the slide back is by having an empty magazine in the gun. (The slide lock is internal and can't be operated externally.) So, you put an empty mag in the gun, lock the slide back, check the chamber and remove the magazine.
Pointing a loaded gun at someone is dangerous. Pointing an unloaded gun at someone is extremely rude. Either way, you don't point guns at people -- unless you're in a self defense situation.
Ken V.
Biggles Wrote:You are of course correct, but having taught many people firearms safety, I have always found it best to impress upon them to always treat every firearm as if it is always loaded. I've had rounds "cook off" on me (discharge after supposedly misfiring) and I've had a .22 rimfire semi-auto go full auto on me. In both cases, it was good that I kept it pointed downrange at all times. I do the same thing when I clear a jam, as I am sure you do.
Biggles Wrote:You are of course correct, but having taught many people firearms safety, I have always found it best to impress upon them to always treat every firearm as if it is always loaded. I've had rounds "cook off" on me (discharge after supposedly misfiring) and I've had a .22 rimfire semi-auto go full auto on me. In both cases, it was good that I kept it pointed downrange at all times. I do the same thing when I clear a jam, as I am sure you do.