The only movie I liked Lee Marvin in was "Paint Your Wagon". But then who would miss Lee and Clint in a musical western?

The waste Eastwood saw on that set prompted him to start his own production company, Malpaso. Malpaso delivered every film on time and at or under budget.

I think Lee Marvin was on the bottle when Point Blank was made. That could actually account for some character authenticity. And I liked Payback as well. Steve McQueen was the same way as Marvin, love him or hate him he was unapologetically his own person. That in itself commanded acknowledgement and/or respect that most actors shy away from now a-days. My personal favorite of this era is Once Upon A Time In The West. A truly beautiful film that was charcter specific and driven. They really don't make them like that any more, although Lawrence Kasdans Wyatt Earp was highly underappreciated, imho.

Once Upon a Time in the West was Sergio Leone. They don't make them like that any more because there ain't no more Sergoi Leones. His style has been highly immitated, but never... It was one Hell of a film though. I place it just slightly behind The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly only because of the "Blond" character and "Tuco".

The only movie I liked Lee Marvin in was "Paint Your Wagon". But then who would miss Lee and Clint in a musical western? Who? But Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke is the perfect example of cool. I never felt like Lee quite hit that cool status.

"Cool" is Steve, Steve McQueen.

Once Upon a Time in the West was Sergio Leone. They don't make them like that any more because there ain't no more Sergoi Leones. His style has been highly immitated, but never... It was one Hell of a film though. I place it just slightly behind The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly only because of the "Blond" character and "Tuco".

Did you ever read any of "The Man with No Name" series by Joe Miilard? I believe it was seven or eight books about the bounty hunter known as blondie to Tuco in the Good, Bad and Ugly.

The only movie I liked Lee Marvin in was "Paint Your Wagon". But then who would miss Lee and Clint in a musical western? Who? But Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke is the perfect example of cool. I never felt like Lee quite hit that cool status.

You are right, Cool Hand Luke is one of the coolest films ever. Paul Newman had attitude and swagger to spare in this.

You are right, Cool Hand Luke is one of the coolest films ever. Paul Newman had attitude and swagger to spare in this.

But he didn't come out on top, in the end. For me cool is cool, but the end is the most important thing. That's why I don't place such a big emphasis on being cool. A guy can be cool, but if he gets his ass kicked, then he's not cool, he just got his ass kicked.

[QUOTE=t4terrific]But he didn't come out on top, in the end. For me cool is cool, but the end is the most important thing. That's why I don't place such a big emphasis on being cool. A guy can be cool, but if he gets his ass kicked, then he's not cool, he just got his ass kicked.[/QUOTE

There was a charecter in a Louis L'Amour book. Every week he had his ass kicked by the same guy. And it was brutal. But every week he stood up to him. Not only stood up to him, he challenged him! He fought him every week till the other guy left. This guy was giving great damage even when he lost and kept coming back for more. Now That's COOL. So was Luke!

The point isn't always about winning.

[QUOTE=t4terrific]But he didn't come out on top, in the end. For me cool is cool, but the end is the most important thing. That's why I don't place such a big emphasis on being cool. A guy can be cool, but if he gets his ass kicked, then he's not cool, he just got his ass kicked.[/QUOTE

There was a charecter in a Louis L'Amour book. Every week he had his ass kicked by the same guy. And it was brutal. But every week he stood up to him. Not only stood up to him, he challenged him! He fought him every week till the other guy left. This guy was giving great damage even when he lost and kept coming back for more. Now That's COOL. So was Luke!

The point isn't always about winning.

Yeah, living is a little more important. Luke's dead, and he got run through the ringer in the process. Yeah, he was a man. He took evrything they threw at him, and never surrendered, but to me, cool means finishing cool too. Dying ain't cool, and losing ain't cool. Ain't ain't cool either, but I say it a lot, and type it sometimes too.

Luke was cool, but, to me, to be the coolest, you have to win in the end. I viewed him as finally being broken. He took on something that was too big for him, and lost in the end.

Based on your description, the other character you mentioned won in the end. He lost many battles, but won the war by outlasting his adversary. He kept getting beaten up, but he was willing to go on and on. His opponent had enough and basically quit or submitted. That's still a win. That's cool.

My point is, acting cool, or being slick, even when things go sour, doesn't make you cool. Cool is decided in the end, for me. Luke went down hard, and that makes me think, "Maybe he shouldn't have always been so slick after all. Maybe he should have been a little smarter." I'd rather a guy be humble and give it his all, than ultra slick. A humble guy can lose, yet not lose his dignity. A cool guy loses more than just a fight, he loses respect too.

Good movie, but the end ruined it for me.

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Yeah, living is a little more important. Luke's dead, and he got run through the ringer in the process. Yeah, he was a man. He took evrything they threw at him, and never surrendered, but to me, cool means finishing cool too. Dying ain't cool, and losing ain't cool. Ain't ain't cool either, but I say it a lot, and type it sometimes too.

Luke was cool, but, to me, to be the coolest, you have to win in the end. I viewed him as finally being broken. He took on something that was too big for him, and lost in the end.

Based on your description, the other character you mentioned won in the end. He lost many battles, but won the war by outlasting his adversary. He kept getting beaten up, but he was willing to go on and on. His opponent had enough and basically quit or submitted. That's still a win. That's cool.

My point is, acting cool, or being slick, even when things go sour, doesn't make you cool. Cool is decided in the end, for me. Luke went down hard, and that makes me think, "Maybe he shouldn't have always been so slick after all. Maybe he should have been a little smarter." I'd rather a guy be humble and give it his all, than ultra slick. A humble guy can lose, yet not lose his dignity. A cool guy loses more than just a fight, he loses respect too.

Good movie, but the end ruined it for me.

To qoute a line from a movie, "It's better to be dead and cool, than to be alive and uncool.
Know this line?

Well if Luke wasn't cool for you, how about Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid? Oops, forgot. They died in that one too.
How about Braveheart, damn it, he's gone too.

Everyone dies, it's how you lived that counts. A coward dies a thousand times, but a brave man tastes death but once.

KRW - plus he ate fifty eggs, no one can eat fifty eggs.

But he didn't come out on top, in the end. For me cool is cool, but the end is the most important thing. That's why I don't place such a big emphasis on being cool. A guy can be cool, but if he gets his ass kicked, then he's not cool, he just got his ass kicked.

Tell that to Jesus. :eek:


KRW