One thing best remembered....if you carry a gun and have to draw it to protect yourself....you better be committed to shooting it. Doing so with accuracy is also a given. I have never had to do this, but I will if I have to.

One thing best remembered....if you carry a gun and have to draw it to protect yourself....you better be committed to shooting it. Doing so with accuracy is also a given. I have never had to do this, but I will if I have to.

So true, Cobalt. I'd say, in =any= situation where you decide violence is called for, plan your move AND DO NOT HESITATE! CARRY THROUGH! As RAH noted, that's the level at which a 5-pound mother cat can drive off a 60-pound police dog. "Little man drop a big man every time, if the little man's in the right and he keeps on a-coming."

needless to say i have the same two guns, but have been looking at the plus 2 bottoms for my 4 13rnd mags, saw some online but not upgraded springs, did you use the OE springs or replace them? speaking of whacking a platoon, what do you think could happen if you used two of the 40rnd drums you can get from sportsmanguide.com

I didn't replace the springs, as they were stout enough as is (or perhaps "as are"--I have a shitload of mags).

Hi all,
I watch a few of those Top Ten shows on the Military channel. I pulled up a top ten list from a google search and up came the following list ..

10. Browning Hi Power / FN Hi Power.
9. SIG P210.
8. HK P7.
7. Beretta Cougar.
6. HK USP series.
5. SIG P220 and the compact P245.
4. Springfield XD.
3. Beretta 92FS.
2. 1911 and its many variants.
1. CZ P-01

(remember this list has different reasons for why they are highly ranked)
Anyways the next thing I did was a quick cut and paste for the individual weapons and again a Google search for each of the weapons named to get some nice detailed info on them..

IE .....
google the CZ P-01
and from a guns and ammo magazine link comes the following info..
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Quote from guns and ammo mag..


CZ P-01
Ceska Zbrojovka (or CZ) adds to their already impressive 9mm line-up.
By Payton Miller

The CZ 75, along with the Browning Hi-Power, SIG-P226 and Glock 17, is rightfully regarded as one of the world's great 9mm pistols. And although Ceska Zbrojovka's product line has expanded beyond the service auto that made it famous in the United States, the CZ 75 is what most American shooters reflexively associate with the company.

Naturally, over the years CZ has tweaked the original platform in an effort to offer model variants to the 75. But the new P-01 (despite the nomenclature) is the first such 75 offshoot to be offered in the new millennium. It's also the result of three years of development and exhaustive testing and will be the new sidearm of the Czech national police.

It features an aluminum alloy frame, a decocker, a firing-pin block and an M3 rail for tactical lights and/or laser sights. It's shorter overall (7.2 inches vs. 8.1 inches) and lighter (27 ounces vs. 34.3 ounces) than the standard 75B. It's also easier for the short-fingered to access the P-01's reconfigured trigger in the DA mode (which was just about the only complaint I've ever heard in regard to the 75, besides the fact that there's not quite enough slide to grab and rack back comfortably).


The frame of the P-01 is slightly wider at the top than that of a 75 for added rigidity, necessitated perhaps by the light rail. And the slide release has been reconfigured and is now a bit quicker to access.


Since more than 60 countries now use the CZ 75 in one official capacity or another, anything purporting to be an improvement had better be pretty good. I recently put close to 500 rounds through the new gun and was extremely impressed. I fired Winchester USA 115-grain FMJs, Black Hills 115-grain JHP Plus-Ps, Winchester Supreme SST 147-grain JHPs, Remington/UMC 124-grain FMJs and Speer Lawman 115-grain JHPs through it without a single hitch (and not even a cursory attempt at cleaning the pistol).

At 25 yards, five-shot groups ranged from acceptable (three to four inches) to superb (two inches or less). And all loads printed close enough to point of aim so that you'd feel confident using any of them. The best performers? Black Hills' 115-grain JHP Plus-P and Winchester's 147-grain SXT. My best effort with the Black Hills stuff would've been an honest 11⁄2 inches were it not for a single flyer. The Winchester stuff averaged slightly under two inches.

SPECIFICATIONS

Importer: CZ-USA
Action: Double-action auto
Caliber: 9mm Parabellum
Capacity: 10
Barrel length: 3.8 inches
Overall length: 7.2 inches
Weight: 27 ounces
Sights: Fixed three-dot
Grips: Checkered rubber
Finish: Black Polycoat
Price: $569



The double-action trigger pull was a smooth and hitch-less 12 pounds. In single-action mode, it broke at five pounds after considerable take-up.

I liked this pistol a lot, which is understandable because I'm a big fan of the CZ 75. The 75, however, is a full-size pistol, and I can certainly understand the appeal of a shorter, lighter variant. Since I'm a semi-casual sport shooter, the hammer drop, light rail and lanyard ring aren't much use to me. But make no mistake about it, CZ's P-01 appears to be an outstanding duty pistol. It's dead reliable, more accurate than it probably needs to be and a bit friendlier to the small-handed than the time-honored 75. Whether its appeal extends beyond its East European service niche remains to be seen. But it's definitely on the short list for "Most Desirable 9mm." --Payton Miller
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Needless to say you can also do the top ten assult rifles etc..
The M1 used by Jacks dad in Gateways was rated the Number 4 on the list..


Here is a nice google link for that weapon..

http://www.olive-drab.com/od_other_firea...1c-m1d.php
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ShadowLord
Interesting reading for those who are into guns..

I've shot many of these, and most would not make my top ten list.

One thing best remembered....if you carry a gun and have to draw it to protect yourself....you better be committed to shooting it. Doing so with accuracy is also a given. I have never had to do this, but I will if I have to.

True, very true.

I hear ya Biggles -- things like production ratings help to make some of those guns listed into the top 10--
Production ratings don't matter to the user do they....stopping power does!

ShadowLord

That's what makes the most sense to me. One of you guys posted something about a "determined woman with a .22" and even though I carry a larger calibre I had to smile at that.

I think that may have been me. I once said something to the effect that a grimly determined woman with a 22 would be far more effective than an irresolute man with a 44 magnum.

There is a lot to be said for the skill and willingness of the people involved, no matter what kind of guns they bring to the fight.

I would say that skill and determination should be at the top of the list, firepower comes next.

Ken V.

Come on now folks...a contest between 9mm and .40? It goes to the 40 cal automatically. Bigger round=bigger hole. Plus with a glock you can carry almost as many rounds. My glock 21 is holds 15+1 (granted its law enforcement issue) but since the extended mag ban ended, they're not too hard to come by. Not to mention the fact that Jack wouldn't worry about no stinkin' gun ban to begin with.

My great uncle used to tell a story about WWII. He said his squad leader got shot with a 6 round burst of 9mm, from hip to shoulder. Apparently this just wasn't enough to finish his squad leader off, and the man, with six bullet holes in him, shot the german with one well placed .45 and finished him off. My uncle's quote was "I always felt sorry for that rotten kraut."

Me personally, i'd love to see Jack stick to the .45, it's by far my favorite caliber, and when you hit someone, you know they're going to stay down. But if its a fight between a 9mil and a .40, well I hate to be the one to say it, but SIZE DOES MATTER.

Sorry, but it slipped my mind. To all of my fellow gun nuts out there, has anyone taken a long hard look at the 5.7 caliber pistol being made by FN? Enough power in a pistol to punch through a one inch titanium plate after traveling 100 meters, slim, easy to conceal, and a decent capacity. Could be right up Jacko's alley if he ever needs to take on someone wearing body armor.

Come on now folks...a contest between 9mm and .40? It goes to the 40 cal automatically. Bigger round=bigger hole. Plus with a glock you can carry almost as many rounds. My glock 21 is holds 15+1 (granted its law enforcement issue) but since the extended mag ban ended, they're not too hard to come by. Not to mention the fact that Jack wouldn't worry about no stinkin' gun ban to begin with.

The .40 S&W is a good round, but what counts most is bullet design.

My late brother had 13 Glocks in his collection:

2 ea. Glock 17 -- 9mm. (One with Tritium night sights.)

1 ea. Glock 17L. -- 9mm.

3 ea. Glock 20 -- 10 mm.

1 ea. Glock 21 -- 45 ACP.

3 ea. Glock 22 -- 40 S&W.

2 ea. Glock 23 -- 40 S&W.

1 ea. Glock 27 -- 40 S&W.

And scores of magazines.

I let all of them go to auction.

I can't stand Glocks!

My great uncle used to tell a story about WWII. He said his squad leader got shot with a 6 round burst of 9mm, from hip to shoulder. Apparently this just wasn't enough to finish his squad leader off, and the man, with six bullet holes in him, shot the german with one well placed .45 and finished him off. My uncle's quote was "I always felt sorry for that rotten kraut."

The key words here being "well placed."

9mm or 45 ACP, military ball is definitely NOT the deadliest bullet to be hit with. If you survive for 30 minutes after being hit, you'll most likely live your normal span. (Doesn't necessarily mean you won't suffer nerve damage. Again, it depends on where you're hit.)

Me personally, i'd love to see Jack stick to the .45, it's by far my favorite caliber, and when you hit someone, you know they're going to stay down.

Depends on where you hit them. Generally speaking, if a round isn't powerful enough to knock you down when you shoot it, it's not going to knock down the person you hit either -- unless they're off balance of course.

But if its a fight between a 9mil and a .40, well I hate to be the one to say it, but SIZE DOES MATTER.

Size helps, but by far, what matters most is shot placement.

Ken V.