Personally, I think both versions followed the book very well. With regard to the main characters' dialog, there was very little difference (particularly the horse-trading exchange). However, the ending in the latest version follows the book, while the 1969 version did not. In particular, I liked the last scene in Memphis, when one-armed (as in the book) Hattie meets Cole Younger and Frank James only to be told that Rooster died 3 days previously and is buried in Jonesboro, AR, their previous stop. Of personal interest, my mother's family is centered around Jonesboro, AR and my aunt always maintained that when he retired from the Wild West Show, Frank James settled in Jonesboro and married into the family. So, I'm distantly related (by marriage) to Frank and Jesse.
I also happened to see an old film on Encore with Robert Wagner and Jeffery Hunter as Jesse and Frank James. For a '50s-era film, it followed the story of the James brothers and Jesse's death rather well. The major difference was that the Pinkerton name (the detective agency that hounded the James', killed their retarded cousin, and blew off their mother's arm) was called the "Remington" Detective Agency. The Pinkertons were famous for their logo, an unblinking eye with the legend: "We Never Sleep." This is where the term "private eye" originated. The Pinkertons were ruthless and perfectly willing to stretch the laws and even operate outside the law if necessary. Pinkerton was head of the Secret Service during the War of Northern Aggression (did a bang-up job protecting the president!).
NYj
I also happened to see an old film on Encore with Robert Wagner and Jeffery Hunter as Jesse and Frank James. For a '50s-era film, it followed the story of the James brothers and Jesse's death rather well. The major difference was that the Pinkerton name (the detective agency that hounded the James', killed their retarded cousin, and blew off their mother's arm) was called the "Remington" Detective Agency. The Pinkertons were famous for their logo, an unblinking eye with the legend: "We Never Sleep." This is where the term "private eye" originated. The Pinkertons were ruthless and perfectly willing to stretch the laws and even operate outside the law if necessary. Pinkerton was head of the Secret Service during the War of Northern Aggression (did a bang-up job protecting the president!).
NYj
Then out spoke brave Horatius, the Captain of the Gate: "To every man upon this earth, death cometh soon or late; And how can man die better than facing fearful odds, For the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods,"
"Well, John Henry said to the Cap'n, "A man ain't nuthin' but a man. But, before I let that steam drill beat me, gonna die with my hammer in my hand, Lawd, Lawd, gonna die with my hammer in my hand."
NewYorkjoe Wrote:Personally, I think both versions followed the book very well. With regard to the main characters' dialog, there was very little difference (particularly the horse-trading exchange). However, the ending in the latest version follows the book, while the 1969 version did not. In particular, I liked the last scene in Memphis, when one-armed (as in the book) Hattie meets Cole Younger and Frank James only to be told that Rooster died 3 days previously and is buried in Jonesboro, AR, their previous stop. Of personal interest, my mother's family is centered around Jonesboro, AR and my aunt always maintained that when he retired from the Wild West Show, Frank James settled in Jonesboro and married into the family. So, I'm distantly related (by marriage) to Frank and Jesse.
I also happened to see an old film on Encore with Robert Wagner and Jeffery Hunter as Jesse and Frank James. For a '50s-era film, it followed the story of the James brothers and Jesse's death rather well. The major difference was that the Pinkerton name (the detective agency that hounded the James', killed their retarded cousin, and blew off their mother's arm) was called the "Remington" Detective Agency. The Pinkertons were famous for their logo, an unblinking eye with the legend: "We Never Sleep." This is where the term "private eye" originated. The Pinkertons were ruthless and perfectly willing to stretch the laws and even operate outside the law if necessary. Pinkerton was head of the Secret Service during the War of Northern Aggression (did a bang-up job protecting the president!).
NYj
Joe, you know Jeff Hunter's mightiest role...
I understand the James' were outlaws, but killed their retarded cousin and shot thier mother's arm off??? My previously complimentary view of the Pinkerton Detective Agency has been darkened considerably. Why dont they rape a female relative of the James' while they were at it?
I tilt at windmills, you tilt at windmills, we tilt at windmills together.
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NewYorkjoe Wrote:I also happened to see an old film on Encore with Robert Wagner and Jeffery Hunter as Jesse and Frank James. For a '50s-era film, it followed the story of the James brothers and Jesse's death rather well. NYjI've never seen that one. It's called "The True Story of Jessie James". I've added it to my Netflix Queue.
The Man of Fhinntmanchca Wrote:I understand the James' were outlaws, but killed their retarded cousin and shot thier mother's arm off??? My previously complimentary view of the Pinkerton Detective Agency has been darkened considerably. Why dont they rape a female relative of the James' while they were at it?
Many bystanders have been killed, or injured, during raids. It happens every day. Not all casualties are intentional. That doesn't mean it's right, just common and not as sadistic as it sounds.
t4terrific Wrote:Many bystanders have been killed, or injured, during raids. It happens every day. Not all casualties are intentional. That doesn't mean it's right, just common and not as sadistic as it sounds.
And, according to Allen Pinkerton:
"If you sleep with dogs, you'll wake up with fleas."
All part of the "guilt by association" hogwash.
I'm not saying it's right, it's just the way it is.
"You have the right to remain silent. If you choose to waive this right, I may have to kill you in self-defense because you're boring me to death."
NewYorkjoe Wrote:Personally, I think both versions followed the book very well. With regard to the main characters' dialog, there was very little difference (particularly the horse-trading exchange). However, the ending in the latest version follows the book, while the 1969 version did not. In particular, I liked the last scene in Memphis, when one-armed (as in the book) Hattie meets Cole Younger and Frank James only to be told that Rooster died 3 days previously and is buried in Jonesboro, AR, their previous stop. Of personal interest, my mother's family is centered around Jonesboro, AR and my aunt always maintained that when he retired from the Wild West Show, Frank James settled in Jonesboro and married into the family. So, I'm distantly related (by marriage) to Frank and Jesse.
NYj
Oh! Spoilers Joe!
They passed an old woman who was just opening the door of a brown Cadillac. An old man was already sitting in the passenger seat. The car had a personalized plate with the letters “J-U-S-P-R-A-Y”.
“That stuff work?” Israel said to her.
“‘Scuse me?” the little old woman said, clutching her keys.
“The spray. Does it keep them away?”
“Keep who away?” She looked confused.
“I gotcha.” Israel gave her a conspiratorial wink.
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GeraldRice Wrote:Oh! Spoilers Joe!
Well, I did put "Minor Spoilers" in the title of my post.
NYj
Then out spoke brave Horatius, the Captain of the Gate: "To every man upon this earth, death cometh soon or late; And how can man die better than facing fearful odds, For the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods,"
"Well, John Henry said to the Cap'n, "A man ain't nuthin' but a man. But, before I let that steam drill beat me, gonna die with my hammer in my hand, Lawd, Lawd, gonna die with my hammer in my hand."
t4terrific Wrote:I've never seen that one. It's called "The True Story of Jessie James". I've added it to my Netflix Queue.
It was a remake of a 1939 film of the same title; a different Robert Wagner than "Prince Valiant." Most of the film is a flashback. As you probably know already, Frank and Jesse rode with Quantrill (as did Rooster Cogburn), who was basically a terrorist (Lawrence, KS).
NYj
Then out spoke brave Horatius, the Captain of the Gate: "To every man upon this earth, death cometh soon or late; And how can man die better than facing fearful odds, For the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods,"
"Well, John Henry said to the Cap'n, "A man ain't nuthin' but a man. But, before I let that steam drill beat me, gonna die with my hammer in my hand, Lawd, Lawd, gonna die with my hammer in my hand."
I caught it this weekend with my dad and we both enjoyed it. It was very easy to follow the original in most of the scenes. My gripe...fake snakes. The part I liked the most... target practice with corn dodgers. I came away with an odd feeling but not from the movie itself, but that I was probably the youngest one in attendance at this viewing. Hopefully the marquee I saw outside the door will draw a younger crowd, "Cowboys & Aliens"! (Hey, it has Harrison Ford in it.)