saynomore Wrote:P.S. Till I saw this movie today, I still believed that Tillman joined the Rangers out of a patriotic response to the 9/11 attack. I didn't realize that was part of the myth as the "real" Tillman, we learn in the film, believed the action against Iraq was "illegal" and "bullshit." Some hero, huh? Yeah, just not the one they fed us.
sigokat Wrote:I wanted to add this as well...I am not disrespecting Pat Tillman and his sacrifice. But I have the same amount of respect for him that I do for any other person that joins the military. In my eyes, Pat Tillman is no different than any other man or woman that joins, but because he was an NFL player he is being held at some higher level than the rest of those that serve and die. I don't agree with it at all, but maybe I'm biased because of my experiences and seeing good Americans killed in these wars and no one cares about them.
sigokat Wrote:Is Pat Tillman on film saying these things or is it his family saying he believed these things? I'd like to know, but refuse to see this movie.
As a Soldier, I find the exploitation of this man (as well as others) for propaganda and personal vendetta reasons to be sickening. What about the other 4,000+ soldiers that have fought and died in Iraq and Afghanistan? What the fuck are we? Nothing, since we weren't NFL stars.
I can only imagine this movie is more liberal propaganda.
I wanted to add this as well...I am not disrespecting Pat Tillman and his sacrifice. But I have the same amount of respect for him that I do for any other person that joins the military. In my eyes, Pat Tillman is no different than any other man or woman that joins, but because he was an NFL player he is being held at some higher level than the rest of those that serve and die. I don't agree with it at all, but maybe I'm biased because of my experiences and seeing good Americans killed in these wars and no one cares about them.
saynomore Wrote:ACCoincidentally, I happen to be reading Tillman's mother's book right now. Either the documentary mislead you or you just got this wrong. Pat DID join out of a patriotic response to 9/11. I don't know why you think he didn't or why you think his statements contradict that. He joined to fight in Afghanistan. It was after he joined that the US invaded Iraq. He fought in Iraq, nonetheless, and was later redeployed to Afghanistan where he was then killed.
P.S. Till I saw this movie today, I still believed that Tillman joined the Rangers out of a patriotic response to the 9/11 attack. I didn't realize that was part of the myth as the "real" Tillman, we learn in the film, believed the action against Iraq was "illegal" and "bullshit." Some hero, huh? Yeah, just not the one they fed us.
saynomore Wrote:Tillman family made this movie.What does this mean, specifically, because some of your statements seem to contradict his mother's story/recollections.
Quote:They are Republicans.Does the documentary make this claim? Do the Tillmans specifically state this? Again, the book (and I'm not done with it, so it may be discussed later) is so far very apolitical; politics has been mentioned VERY little, hardly at all. It mentions the family's long history of military service; that Pat and his brother Kevin had been discussing joining from the time of the attacks until they joined and that their younger brother Kevin was very much opposed to them joining; and it later mentions how the family discussed their opinions on invading Iraq and were against it.
Quote:And yes, I took this movie with a grain of salt. The Tillman family wanted to point a finger at the Bush Administration, so they did have an agenda.Again, I didn't get this at all. They did oppose the invasion of Iraq, but I haven't gotten any sense of animosity toward the Bush admin .... well, not until they were consistently and repeatedly lied to about the circumstances.
The Mad American Wrote:From what little I know about Tillman I think he would have agreed 100% with your statement here. While he was alive he refused to be exploited for any of this stuff. He refused to do interviews or be treated any differently than any other soldier. He refused to be treated or thought of differently while he was alive, it is a shame that after his death people are trying to do to him what he did not want to happen and did not allow to happen to him because of where he came from.Yes.
jimbow8 Wrote:Coincidentally, I happen to be reading Tillman's mother's book right now. Either the documentary mislead you or you just got this wrong. Pat DID join out of a patriotic response to 9/11. I don't know why you think he didn't or why you think his statements contradict that. He joined to fight in Afghanistan. It was after he joined that the US invaded Iraq. He fought in Iraq, nonetheless, and was later redeployed to Afghanistan where he was then killed.
What does this mean, specifically, because some of your statements seem to contradict his mother's story/recollections.
Does the documentary make this claim? Do the Tillmans specifically state this? Again, the book (and I'm not done with it, so it may be discussed later) is so far very apolitical; politics has been mentioned VERY little, hardly at all. It mentions the family's long history of military service; that Pat and his brother Kevin had been discussing joining from the time of the attacks until they joined and that their younger brother Kevin was very much opposed to them joining; and it later mentions how the family discussed their opinions on invading Iraq and were against it.
Again, I didn't get this at all. They did oppose the invasion of Iraq, but I haven't gotten any sense of animosity toward the Bush admin .... well, not until they were consistently and repeatedly lied to about the circumstances.
I don't know if these facts were presented THAT much differently in the documentary than they were in the book or if we just have a different interpretation.
Yes.