I think what Juliet said about going for coffee is going to turn out to be very important to the outcome. And it is nothing to do with her and Sawyer (at least I don't think so).

Remember the flashback to Rose and Bernard first meeting? After he helped get her car out of the snow, she asked him if he wanted to go for coffee - and said they could go dutch...



I'm thinking Ben is just pretending to be so humbled and just following along instead of taking the lead. What did he say to Locke on several occaisions ...

"How many times do I have to tell you, John. I ALWAYS have a plan."

Ben is playing possum right now and maybe Jacob and Richard are as well. I think the three of them are playing Un-Locke, letting him think he has everybody right where he wants them.

(PS - I watched two more episodes last night so I'm now just two episodes behind. I'll watch those two tonight and tonight's new episode tomorrow and then I'll be all caught up.)

What bothers me is that the writers have insisted that there is only one plane of reality and always has been, and that the "answer" will explain this. No time travel. No dimension shifting.

And keep in mind: Ben Linus was never meant to be the big character he turned out to be. He was a fan favorite so the writers drew out his character more. But in the final episodes, we see him as a small man. Maybe this was the way he was supposed to be all along.

So, shall we burn the writers at the stake or wait for the "answers" before doing something rash?

AC

P.S. Still, no answers; just smoke and mirrors.

And Ben got the thing he wanted in his flash sideways- Alex.

I'm happy that after two years Miles finally mentioned Nikki and Paolo being buried alive.

I'm hoping that somehow those 2 will have some kind of effect. I half expected them to pop out of their graves. I like that rock that Miles was admiring too. Wonder how many more of those he has now he he.

What bothers me is that the writers have insisted that there is only one plane of reality and always has been, and that the "answer" will explain this. No time travel. No dimension shifting.

I certainly can't guess the "answer" yet, but one thing I've been thinking is that since the flash-sideways parts are happening in 2004 and the on-island parts are in 2007, the flash-sideways versions of the characters will all get on the same flight for whatever reason(s) sometime in their 2007. This flight will also crash on the island, causing the two versions of each character to "meld" or something like that.

Just because the crash of flight 815 was prevented, doesn't mean there isn't a different crash in their future. Muah-ha-ha-ha!

And keep in mind: Ben Linus was never meant to be the big character he turned out to be. He was a fan favorite so the writers drew out his character more. But in the final episodes, we see him as a small man. Maybe this was the way he was supposed to be all along.

That may be true, but if Ben is just a tag-along in season 6, that seems like an incredible waste of time. Especially the "Dr. Linus" episode (which I'll be watching tonight - one day late). It would be a big disappointment if he doesn't have a big impact - good or bad - on the eventual outcome.

Speaking of tag-alongs, Sun is awfully boring so far in season 6. I like the character so I certainly hope she gets some interesting things to do pretty soon.

So, shall we burn the writers at the stake or wait for the "answers" before doing something rash?

AC

P.S. Still, no answers; just smoke and mirrors.

Easy there, AC! Yeah, we should wait and see. But I'm with Cobalt on something she posted a while back - I do not want to see a "ka is a wheel" ending to this series. That would make burning at the stake a justifiable reaction!

Webby, you've caught up with us. It's always good to add another opinion to the mix.

Now that the candidates have been identified and informed of their special consideration, I'm wondering if there will be a battle for the position of island protector. Will that person get Jacob's special powers?
Out of all the candidates, I like Hurley for the job.

Webby, you've caught up with us. It's always good to add another opinion to the mix.

Now that the candidates have been identified and informed of their special consideration, I'm wondering if there will be a battle for the position of island protector. Will that person get Jacob's special powers?
Out of all the candidates, I like Hurley for the job.

A battle to determine who gets stuck being the new Jacob, maybe - lol.

Really, I don't think any of them would want the job. But if it has to be one of them it will probably be Jack. He and Locke represented opposing "sides" all through the series and we now have Un-Locke as the anti-Jacob, so... looks like Jack gets the gig. :p

With the last couple episodes it has made me think more that Jack is in the lead for Jacob's replacement. Jack has always struggled with having faith and it always seemed like a struggle between him and Locke based on faith. One had it and the other didn't. It's what I also think is at the center of the conflict between Jacob and MIB. Jacob seemed to have faith in people and what they were doing and MIB seemed to have none. In this past episode it looks like Jack has gained some faith and it looks like Richard also noticed that. It also seemed like Jacob is just using hurley's ability to see dead people to get to Jack. He wanted Hurley to take Jack to go see the lighthouse and Jack saw his childhood home.

How will it play out? Who knows but I am definitely enjoying the ride of this last season.

With the last couple episodes it has made me think more that Jack is in the lead for Jacob's replacement. Jack has always struggled with having faith and it always seemed like a struggle between him and Locke based on faith. One had it and the other didn't. It's what I also think is at the center of the conflict between Jacob and MIB. Jacob seemed to have faith in people and what they were doing and MIB seemed to have none. In this past episode it looks like Jack has gained some faith and it looks like Richard also noticed that. It also seemed like Jacob is just using hurley's ability to see dead people to get to Jack. He wanted Hurley to take Jack to go see the lighthouse and Jack saw his childhood home.

How will it play out? Who knows but I am definitely enjoying the ride of this last season.

I believe Jack will be the new Jacob as well. Everything has come down to making choices, good or bad. Think of each character's latest choice, and you have a good or bad outcome. Sayid chose evil. Ben chose good (by not going with the Smoke Man). Jin chose good (by lying to Claire). Etc.

But Jack has not chosen. He's been reflective and questioning. I think when he does choose, he'll be the new Jacob.

And anyone else see that Jesus/Jacob/Jack relation (healers)? How about the Hell/Smoke/Nameless One connection (nameless is equated as evil in the Bible and in the works of Lovecraft)? This would have to mean that there is a God figure on the Island who referees the battles between good and evil. Makes you wonder about that little kid that Smoke Locke was chastised by.

AC

P.S. The crimp in this theory is that Richard said, Don't believe anything Jacob says. I guess he believes that the Smoke Man is impersonating Jacob. Or it's possible that Ben stabbed Jacob but didn't kill him; Smoke Locke killed him by kicking him into the fire, thus breaking "the island's (God's) rule." :confused:

I believe Jack will be the new Jacob as well. Everything has come down to making choices, good or bad. Think of each character's latest choice, and you have a good or bad outcome. Sayid chose evil. Ben chose good (by not going with the Smoke Man). Jin chose good (by lying to Claire). Etc.

But Jack has not chosen. He's been reflective and questioning. I think when he does choose, he'll be the new Jacob.

I also think Jack is the most likely candidate, which is also why I think it won't actually work out that way! :p

And anyone else see that Jesus/Jacob/Jack relation (healers)? How about the Hell/Smoke/Nameless One connection (nameless is equated as evil in the Bible and in the works of Lovecraft)? This would have to mean that there is a God figure on the Island who referees the battles between good and evil. Makes you wonder about that little kid that Smoke Locke was chastised by.

AC

P.S. The crimp in this theory is that Richard said, Don't believe anything Jacob says. I guess he believes that the Smoke Man is impersonating Jacob. Or it's possible that Ben stabbed Jacob but didn't kill him; Smoke Locke killed him by kicking him into the fire, thus breaking "the island's (God's) rule." :confused:

There are definitely biblical references in the series. I mean, Jack's last name is Shepard and his father's name is Christian Shepard, for pete's sake.

There was an episode called 316 that focused mainly on John Locke. John 3:16? It was the episode in which Locke dies, leaving a note for Jack that says he wished Jack had believed him.

In the episode after Desmond blew up the hatch and woke up in the jungle naked, he borrows a shirt from Hugo. Later, on the beach, he is still wearing that light colored shirt that is so big for him it's almost like a robe. He's just standing at the water's edge thinking and tossing pebbles into the ocean with is long hair and beard blowing in the breeze. Hugo is watching him and I got the distinct impression that Hugo was seeing him as maybe a christ-like figure, given that Des had already predicted the future at least once at that point.

And where is Desmond lately, anyway? He's one of my favorites. I hope he'll be back before it's all over.


And in this week's episode, "Dr. Linus", we saw the best Jack scene EVER. The one with Jack and Richard in the Black Rock, a stick of old, unstable dynamite between them with a long fuse that's quickly burning down... only to fizzle out about an inch before reaching the dynamite. Jack gets this hysterical look in his eyes, laughs and asks Richard, "Wanna try another stick?"

Hahahahahahahahahaha! Jack is definitely cracking up and it's doing him a world of good - that scene truly made me LOL.

I'm hoping that somehow those 2 will have some kind of effect. I half expected them to pop out of their graves. I like that rock that Miles was admiring too. Wonder how many more of those he has now he he.

That was pretty good too.

So after I watched this week's episode last night I was at loose ends. I wanted to hit the button to watch the next episode, but there IS no next episode yet. Bummer!

So I went back to the first season, first episode and watched it again to see what I would see differently now. And one thing popped out at me. Call me crazy, but I think this might be something.

Ok, so we know the MIB can become the Smoke Monster to move about on the island watching people and/or interacting with them, right?

I'm thinking that Jacob has been becoming the dog, Vincent, to watch people and guide them to certain things. Here's why I think so...

The first scene of the first episode opens with Jack waking up in the jungle after the crash. The first other survivor he sees is... Vincent.

Almost immediately after the crash, both Vincent and the Smoke Monster each make an appearance among the survivors on the beach.

(And by the way, just how DID a dog in a travel kennel in the cargo hold of an airplane get out all by itself, exactly? Maybe someone, someone named Jacob possibly, LET him out? Hmmm?)

The day after the crash, Jack, Kate and Charlie are heading for the cockpit wreckage to look for the transceiver. As they're walking through the jungle, the camera pulls back away from them, backing further into the foliage and for a couple of seconds this is what we see...



Vincent was out there watching them. Why shoot the scene this way if it doesn't mean something? And this is what got me going on this theory, by the way. It just stood out as so odd to me, unless there is a very good reason for it.

There is also a painting of a dog hanging on the wall of Jacob's Cabin. It's not a painting of Vincent, but it is a dog so it makes me wonder.

Vincent has played guide, guard, and companion to many of the Losties over the series. He's been a key character in several significant scenes. In fact, there's a whole Lostpedia page about him (spoiler warning on that link, btw).

So even if I'm right, will it have any bearing on the final outcome? I don't know. But I'm going to be watching very closely whenever Vincent appears from now on...

Webby, your dog theory has some merit. Everything is done for a purpose on LOST....sometimes we catch it. Some times it sails right over my head.....but the episodes make me think and push ideas. That's the fun of it....the moment when you get it.