im not a huge DC comics fan, so all i know about the joker is based on either burton's version of just bits and pieces i gathered through weird cultural osmosis and thus my opinion doesn't really have much stock, but from what i heard, ledger's version of the joker was more in tune with what the joker was originally supposed to be like: a completely non-empathetic psycho and NOT a strutting, clownish buffoon. i will say, however, that the scene in the hospital where the joker is telling dent about 'the schemers' and how chaos is the only way didn't so much remind me of 'definitive therapy', but more of the scene between the oculus and rasalom in 'harbingers'.

Well, lorezone, my recollection of the late 50s, early 60s Batman books is the Joker would contrive hare-brained schemes Batman would put the lid on. (And =how= did these bad guys attract a gang? Big-time lawbreakers are =not= that stoopid!)

...And second, I think it's cool they liked my guy enough to put him to work in their film.

So yes, that sure as hell looks like my Joker up there on the screen (and Heath Ledger and the screenwriters did a hell of a job with him), but judge for yourself. Check out the story here: http://www.repairmanjack.com/support files/JOKER-set.rtf

[SIZE=3]Then check out the film. [/SIZE]

Just remember: I have not been wronged, so you need not email me. Everything's cool.

It is definitely cool. And I definitely saw "your" Joker when I watched The Dark Knight just recently on DVD. No question about it. I was almost expecting to see specific events from 'Definitive Therapy' play out on screen. Actually, in a strange way, I think maybe they did.

Well, lorezone, my recollection of the late 50s, early 60s Batman books is the Joker would contrive hare-brained schemes Batman would put the lid on. (And =how= did these bad guys attract a gang? Big-time lawbreakers are =not= that stoopid!)

i was always under the impression that the 50s/60s joker was the attempt of the writers to make the character less grisly and more campy ie the batman tv show.

Joker, from Definative Therapy seemed far more calculating than Dark Knight's version (who was often impulsive and random).

Joker, from Definative Therapy seemed far more calculating than Dark Knight's version (who was often impulsive and random).

He said, "Do I look like a guy with a plan?" but that was a cover. [SPOILER]That whole truck-jacking and chase was a setup to get himself captured. The charges that blew up the hospital didn't place themselves.[/SPOILER] Plot holes abound, but he had it all worked out.

From a thread started last summer...

This is awesome.. Ive not grown up on comics nor have I read much of The Barrens and others or Definitive Therapy. Though I feel even closer and even more enthralled with this site, FPW and his books, since it brings together in a strange and cosmic unbalance many of my favorite things ever...Right on FPW, write on...

This is awesome.. Ive not grown up on comics nor have I read much of The Barrens and others or Definitive Therapy. Though I feel even closer and even more enthralled with this site, FPW and his books, since it brings together in a strange and cosmic unbalance many of my favorite things ever...Right on FPW, write on...

It do indeed.

Someone just sent me this link.

http://io9.com/5125613/who-created-dark-knights-joker

Now it makes sense as to the 11 pages of guests looking at this thread.

Someone just sent me this link.

http://io9.com/5125613/who-created-dark-knights-joker

Whoa, dude...

BTW, Heath Ledger just won a posthumous Golden Globe for his performance as The Joker.

Maybe I'll sue DC Comics - for codependent emotional trauma!

PS: On a side note, I was disappointed with the movie. I thought the characters were interesting to watch, but the action sequences (like those in the Bourne series) seemed too frenetic. I hear it is the same with the latest Bond movie so I'll wait until it comes out on DVD.