Marc B. Wrote:So you're saying women can lie better then men? Hmm... now I'm worried. What is my wife keeping from me? :dontknow:Ha! No, my dear, I'm saying THOSE men, Jack, Hurley and Sayid, don't seem to be dealing well with the burden of lies. Considering that they are, each of them, fairly well established basket cases in one way shape or form, I am not surprised.
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cobalt79 Wrote:I enjoyed last night's episode....but oh the questions!
If Sun, Jin and Aaron are on the freighter, how do they get separated.
Well, think about this: the "6 survivors" are currently in at least four different places. Hurley is at the Orchid Station, Kate and Sayid are being escorted by Richard Alpert, Sun and Aaron are on the freighter, and Jack is ..... where is Jack - in the jungle with Sawyer?
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Maggers Wrote:This episode was rich with emotion. I liked that.
Second in that regard to The Constant, imho, but yes, very emotional. And you didn't mention the one that moved me the most: When Hurley's (step)dad says he worked on the car as a kind of memorial to Hurley, "It was almost like I was with you." Then the odometer/tripometer went and screwed EVERYTHING up!!!:eek:
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. ... The piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
~ Howard Phillips Lovecraft
I am wondering why the other 5 would let Kate lie and say Aaron is hers. I mean they would have to think that Claire did have family out there
Why else the need to lie about it? I am sure it is because Kate doesnt want him to go to Clairs family. But why did the others go along with it?
and they did say 8 of them got off the plane but only 6 survived. Who are the other 2?
hmmmm.
Why else the need to lie about it? I am sure it is because Kate doesnt want him to go to Clairs family. But why did the others go along with it?
and they did say 8 of them got off the plane but only 6 survived. Who are the other 2?
hmmmm.
Aprilis Wrote:I am wondering why the other 5 would let Kate lie and say Aaron is hers. I mean they would have to think that Claire did have family out thereIn order for it to be commonly know that it is Claire's baby, Claire would have had to survive the crash, and presumably with few or minor enough injuries that the baby survived and then she died later. This complicates the "story" all that much more. It is easier to have it just be Kate's baby. (yes, I understand the need to establish that Kate was 7 months pregnant at takeoff complicates things, however.) ... and it can't be Sun's baby because she's pregnant currently. This has come up before, and I have to admit that I still don't see why the great presumption that Kate is up to something devious.
Why else the need to lie about it? I am sure it is because Kate doesnt want him to go to Clairs family. But why did the others go along with it?
and they did say 8 of them got off the plane but only 6 survived. Who are the other 2?
hmmmm.
And we still don't know that Kate TOLD anyone that she was Aaron's mother of if someone just assumed that and no one corrected the person. (or did we learn otherwise last night?)
As for the other 2 survivors, we may learn who they are later, but the producers have stated (in podcasts) that their identities are not crucial to the storyline.
This post was last modified: 05-16-2008, 09:03 PM by jimbow8.
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. ... The piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
~ Howard Phillips Lovecraft
jimbow8 Wrote:In order for it to be commonly know that it is Claire's baby, Claire would have had to survive the crash, and presumably with few or minor enough injuries that the baby survived and then she died later. This complicates the "story" all that much more. It is easier to have it just be Kate's baby. (yes, I understand the need to establish that Kate was 7 months pregnant at takeoff complicates things, however.) ... and it can't be Sun's baby because she's pregnant currently. This has come up before, and I have to admit that I still don't see why the great presumption that Kate is up to something devious.
And we still don't know that Kate TOLD anyone that she was Aaron's mother of if someone just assumed that and no one corrected the person. (or did we learn otherwise last night?)
As for the other 2 survivors, we may learn who they are later, but the producers have stated (in podcasts) that their identities are not crucial to the storyline.
in the press conference Kate confirmed she gave birth when asked.
devious? I'm not sure, just a lot of unanswered questions? like why did Claire leave him? does the island want him raised in the real world until he is old enough to pass the same tests as Locke had as a kid (but didnt pass)? Maybe Richard Alpert tells her to leave the island with Aaron? in a way back episode wasnt it implied that Claire shouldnt raise him?
and when you think about one thing you just get more questions to wonder about!
Like did anyone else get off the island? but maybe we dont know about them because they weren't apart of the 6 and they just went home with no big to do about them.
The world is full of idiots ... It's up to you to not be one of them.
When Sun was asked if Jin was one of the two survivors who then died on the island, she pauses, then says that no, he died in the crash. It seems that their story was laid out ahead of time, so she wasn't pausing to wonder how she should answer. So why did she pause? Possibly because she was overcome with emotion? This leads me to believe (for the time being :p) that Jin is actually dead. Perhaps he died in the explosion caused by all the C4 on the ship .... saving people's lives?
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So, is the device that is strapped to Keamy's bicep the radio control detonator for the explosives on the ship and the reason for the RF interference on the fathometer??
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So, is the device that is strapped to Keamy's bicep the radio control detonator for the explosives on the ship and the reason for the RF interference on the fathometer??
This post was last modified: 05-16-2008, 09:38 PM by jimbow8.
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. ... The piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
~ Howard Phillips Lovecraft
Ahh LOST, we can guess and guess and guess, and we'll still be wrong.
I think that in order to be able and/or allowed to leave the Island, the Oceanic 6 agree to something with someone. We don't yet know what they've agreed to or with whom they've agreed to it. Nor do we know the ramifications of what would happen if they break their agreement.
I think that the 6 agree with someone, most likely Ben or Widmore but probably Ben and/or Richard Alpert, that in order for at least 6 of them to leave the Island they have to lie like rugs....for the rest of their lives.
I would bet that somewhere in this laying down of the lies, there is an explicit or implicit threat to those left behind that if someone lets loose with the truth, something awful will happen to those left behind.
I think those left behind on the Island are there under some sort of duress or in some sort of discomfort or disability. Perhaps that is why Charlie keep visiting Hurley telling Hurley that "they need your help."
How the 6 get together to get off the Island is open to endless conjecture. As Jim pointed out, everyone is separated from one another at this juncture. We have no way of knowing how they will come together.
I no longer think that Kate is up to something evil with Aaron, though I was majorily creeped out when I first saw them together so many episodes ago. I think that Kate winding up with Aaron was probably the most humane thing to do because the survivors probably agreed that it's best to get the baby off the Island, and, apparently, Claire is still absent when the time to leave the Island arrives.
Someone mentioned they thought that Claire was told she was not to raise the baby. No, quite the opposite. Over and over, the psychic told her that she MUST raise the baby, that the baby would be in danger if he were raised by another. At the time, it looked like the psychic was referring to The Others (Ben, Ethan et al) from Season 2. Now it could mean something else. But it seems The Island has had a hand in finally separating Claire from her baby. Ben and Ethan and all the Others couldn't do it. It took an almost direct intervention by Jacob in the form of Claire's and Jack's dad to find a way to make her leave her baby, and we don't yet know how that happened.
Oooh Oooh Oooh! I just had a brainstorm!
The method by which Locke will move The Island (most likely move it in time) will involve the not-quite-dormant-volcano on the Island, the volcano that was referenced by Horace's schoolteacher wife in the flashback with young Ben so long ago. If the volcano is involved, and I bet my paycheck that it is, then it's not a far jump to see how a cyclone could be generated by whatever force is invoked by Locke. Wasn't a cyclone (a hurricane in the southern hemisphere) responsible for supposedly washing up a boat loaded with supplies that helped the Oceanic 6 survive on their fictional desert island? Such a meteorological event is something that would actually have had to happen in the real world if they reference it in their "big lies story."
OK, let's see how well I do with THAT theory.
I think that in order to be able and/or allowed to leave the Island, the Oceanic 6 agree to something with someone. We don't yet know what they've agreed to or with whom they've agreed to it. Nor do we know the ramifications of what would happen if they break their agreement.
I think that the 6 agree with someone, most likely Ben or Widmore but probably Ben and/or Richard Alpert, that in order for at least 6 of them to leave the Island they have to lie like rugs....for the rest of their lives.
I would bet that somewhere in this laying down of the lies, there is an explicit or implicit threat to those left behind that if someone lets loose with the truth, something awful will happen to those left behind.
I think those left behind on the Island are there under some sort of duress or in some sort of discomfort or disability. Perhaps that is why Charlie keep visiting Hurley telling Hurley that "they need your help."
How the 6 get together to get off the Island is open to endless conjecture. As Jim pointed out, everyone is separated from one another at this juncture. We have no way of knowing how they will come together.
I no longer think that Kate is up to something evil with Aaron, though I was majorily creeped out when I first saw them together so many episodes ago. I think that Kate winding up with Aaron was probably the most humane thing to do because the survivors probably agreed that it's best to get the baby off the Island, and, apparently, Claire is still absent when the time to leave the Island arrives.
Someone mentioned they thought that Claire was told she was not to raise the baby. No, quite the opposite. Over and over, the psychic told her that she MUST raise the baby, that the baby would be in danger if he were raised by another. At the time, it looked like the psychic was referring to The Others (Ben, Ethan et al) from Season 2. Now it could mean something else. But it seems The Island has had a hand in finally separating Claire from her baby. Ben and Ethan and all the Others couldn't do it. It took an almost direct intervention by Jacob in the form of Claire's and Jack's dad to find a way to make her leave her baby, and we don't yet know how that happened.
Oooh Oooh Oooh! I just had a brainstorm!
The method by which Locke will move The Island (most likely move it in time) will involve the not-quite-dormant-volcano on the Island, the volcano that was referenced by Horace's schoolteacher wife in the flashback with young Ben so long ago. If the volcano is involved, and I bet my paycheck that it is, then it's not a far jump to see how a cyclone could be generated by whatever force is invoked by Locke. Wasn't a cyclone (a hurricane in the southern hemisphere) responsible for supposedly washing up a boat loaded with supplies that helped the Oceanic 6 survive on their fictional desert island? Such a meteorological event is something that would actually have had to happen in the real world if they reference it in their "big lies story."
OK, let's see how well I do with THAT theory.
This post was last modified: 05-18-2008, 02:18 AM by Maggers.
Reading is freedom.
The mind soars, no earthly cares,
no limitations.
A Maggers Haiku, 2005
Years ago my mother used to say to me... "In this world, Elwood, you can be oh so smart or oh so pleasant."
Well, for years I was smart.
I recommend pleasant.
You may quote me.
Elwood P. Dowd
jimbow8 Wrote:Exactly. A polar bear's remains were found in Tunisia in the first episode of this season as an introduction to Charlotte.
Incidentally, if my estimation is correct, Tunisia is on the EXACT opposite side of the earth as a point South and East of Fiji. (Using the Coordinates 34ºN, 9ºE for Tunisia --> 34ºS, 171ºW , precisely along what looks like an underwater mountain range - perfect for unknown islands)
Someone asked a question about antipodal coordinates for the 5/19/08 podcast.
Of course, they gave a vaguely ambiguous answer. Another interesting questioner theorized that maybe Abbadon is working for a third party, not Ben or Widmore. They didn't exactly deny it.
This post was last modified: 05-21-2008, 08:34 PM by jimbow8.
The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. ... The piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
~ Howard Phillips Lovecraft