Me too. It's called going to a Catholic university. Surrounded by hundreds of girls who graduated from Catholic high schools. Sent like lambs to the slaughter to urban Catholic colleges where their naivete makes them vulnerable to the advances of scoundrels. Scandalous! Scandalous, I tell you!

Well, speaking as one scoundrel to another...:eek:

Biggles, I posted on this when I first joined the board, but I gotta repeat it. I honestly don't understand the concept of "recovering Catholics." I went to Catholic school from grades 1--3, and it didn't hurt me a bit. What is there to recover from?:confused:

Well, speaking as one scoundrel to another...:eek:

Biggles, I posted on this when I first joined the board, but I gotta repeat it. I honestly don't understand the concept of "recovering Catholics." I went to Catholic school from grades 1--3, and it didn't hurt me a bit. What is there to recover from?:confused:

I believe the term has less to do with being taught at a Catholic school than it does with being brought up with the Catholic tenets. Guilt is such a huge piece of that puzzle that 'recovering Catholics' must learn to live without all the guilt.

I believe the term has less to do with being taught at a Catholic school than it does with being brought up with the Catholic tenets. Guilt is such a huge piece of that puzzle that 'recovering Catholics' must learn to live without all the guilt.

Well, Scott, I was raised Catholic, but I guess I missed class that day when they laid "Guilt! Yow!" on the children. I have a =very= vague memory of a second-grade afternoon at St. Anthony's in Greenpoint when Father Tim (a =very= tough, smart [taught math and science to the older kids] priest) explained Adam's sin was not ours, all we had to do was be good and faithful and things would turn out fine. "Catholic guilt..." Sounds creepy to me. Glad I missed out on it. Guess I heard what a child wants to hear: we are =part= of the Holy Family, The Virgin Mary loves you just as much as your own Mommy does, St. Joseph watches out for you when Daddy isn't there, and while the Devil is strong, Jesus is =much= stronger, and will always help you. He loves you so much He sent a special angel just to guard you. I no longer believe that literally, but the message is good, and I think true: there are benevolent higher powers.

(Or maybe I'm just too far gone in sin to feel guilt...)

Well, speaking as one scoundrel to another...:eek:

Biggles, I posted on this when I first joined the board, but I gotta repeat it. I honestly don't understand the concept of "recovering Catholics." I went to Catholic school from grades 1--3, and it didn't hurt me a bit. What is there to recover from?:confused:

Its more than just the guilt issues though that is a big part of it, its more that its a learned pattern of thoughts and behavior, as well as the systematic metaphoricly-beat-you-till-you-get-it beliefs that eventually, as you become a fairly rational adult, you begin to question (then have a guilt trip for doing so). To make this most obvious of contradictions acceptable to ourselves, we cloak it with humor and call it "recovering catholic".

Me- I actually feel a void- I had this undeniable sense of the divine when I was younger, and its hard for me to reconcile the empty place I feel now where it used to be...hence I make light of it.

Its more than just the guilt issues though that is a big part of it, its more that its a learned pattern of thoughts and behavior, as well as the systematic metaphoricly-beat-you-till-you-get-it beliefs that eventually, as you become a fairly rational adult, you begin to question (then have a guilt trip for doing so). To make this most obvious of contradictions acceptable to ourselves, we cloak it with humor and call it "recovering catholic".

Me- I actually feel a void- I had this undeniable sense of the divine when I was younger, and its hard for me to reconcile the empty place I feel now where it used to be...hence I make light of it.

I think those of us who were schooled 5 days a week in a Catholic grammar school, high school or college, or all three or any variation thereof, got it worse than those who attended public school and some sort of Catholic education classes on the side.

There is NOTHING, and I repeat NOTHING, like being taught all day long by nuns in big black habits, looming large in your little life during your formative years (kindergarten, first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh and eighth grades). If you had a parent who was active in the church, as I did, the impact is even greater.

Well, Scott, I was raised Catholic, but I guess I missed class that day when they laid "Guilt! Yow!" on the children. I have a =very= vague memory of a second-grade afternoon at St. Anthony's in Greenpoint when Father Tim (a =very= tough, smart [taught math and science to the older kids] priest) explained Adam's sin was not ours, all we had to do was be good and faithful and things would turn out fine. "Catholic guilt..." Sounds creepy to me. Glad I missed out on it. Guess I heard what a child wants to hear: we are =part= of the Holy Family, The Virgin Mary loves you just as much as your own Mommy does, St. Joseph watches out for you when Daddy isn't there, and while the Devil is strong, Jesus is =much= stronger, and will always help you. He loves you so much He sent a special angel just to guard you. I no longer believe that literally, but the message is good, and I think true: there are benevolent higher powers.

(Or maybe I'm just too far gone in sin to feel guilt...)

Good stuff I'm thinking up my reply, I attended The Epiphany School Catolic School on 23rd St. in Manhattan in the year of our Lord 1962......

How appropriate.... I got my copy on Ash Wednesday.

Plus, the number matches my AC set...

How appropriate.... I got my copy on Ash Wednesday.

Plus, the number matches my AC set...

My copy came in the mail today, and although I haven't had time to open the book yet, I did look on the back of the dust jacket . . . that's the best photo of Paul I've seen to date.

Ken V.

In my younger days as a deity, I was bombarded by all sorts wishing to sacrifice their virginal daughters.

In your younger days, weren't they sacrificing animals? Ewww!

I just got into a huge discussion on virgin births, Mary as part of the Godhead and the possibilities of siblings to Christ with a friend- now I need to up my minutes plan for my mobile!!!! Wow, the theories and thoughts out there are abundant- and I haven't even read "Virgin" yet. It seems to be an active topic lately.


hey KRW your private mailbox is full- we're in Scottsdale this weekend, click http://www.jbradhsaw.com (then shows, then go to the ones for this weekend) to find out what time- we're at Westworld. come by and say hello!