Steve D
As long as I can remember (since I was a baby lurker on the last board), there have always been grammar wars. Usually, it was amongst the "regulars" (those with high fiber in their diet and a love for FPW), but as newbies came to become Senior Members, they, too, became targets. I stopped correcting spelling and grammar errors when I started posting on this new improved??? board. It distracts from the post and detracts from the thread. I say, unless the thread is about specific questions on grammar, spelling, and vocabulary, let's call a truce to this war and stick to the topic at hand. Besides, a private email would be more diplomatic, as opposed to doing the nyah-nyah correction in front of the whole board and God and FPW. My two cents (yes, I know this be a fragment and all, but I've got me one of dem poetical licenseses, y'hear?).

Private emails are too much trouble for most. When you see gramatical errors in my posts, correct me right then and there. Jimbow does, and we have fun with it. I've learned a lot over the past year.

Ken V.

You have to admit that of all our President's Bush is not the brightest one.



Bush: "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

:confused:

Well, dude, who =was= the brightest? Jefferson, mebbe? All I can tell you is President Bush earned a Masters degree from Harvard Business School, and piloted a supersonic fighter back when men, not computers, did the job. That's plenty bright enough for me.

Hey Jimbow... I agree, this has gone far too long and we should end it. But I don't think that we should end the politics, just stray away from personal attacks. And this goes both ways, I did retaliate.

I don't want to make enemies with anyone on this board. FPW's books are the only fiction books that I have read since Clifford the Big Red Dog (that is fiction, right?). I am easy to get along with.

P.S. I know that you won't see this until after reading my other post first, so if you feel like going off on me, I won't take it offensive unless you turn down my peace treaty.

Sublime, Welcome to the board! Back when we had the Old Board of Blessed Memory, I asked the gang if I were the only soul around who supports President Bush. Our Lovely and Gracious Queen Sue responded, Well, maybe you're not the only one, but you're probably in the minority. So it's a real pleasure to welcome aboard an hombre who's aware WE ARE AT FUCKING WAR...Western Civilization against the dregs of a failed culture. Keep posting, man! But a word of advice--watch out for Biggles. He's a mean and tricky brawler. And that goes double for Ken Valentine.

I might as well finish the quote for you:

"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness alone that gives everything its value. Heaven alone knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "TO BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER, and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then there is not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can only belong to God."



You not only quoted it out of context, you even got the date wrong. Try December 26, 1776.

I HAVE TWO LIT BOOKS. THE ONE I COPIED IT FROM SAID 1780. MAYBE THAT WAS THE YEAR OF PUBLICATION OR SOMETIHNG, I DON'T KNOW. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT, MY OTHER BOOK HAD 1776. I THINK THAT QUOTE CAN BE USED TODAY JUST AS EASILY AS IT WAS BACK THEN. THESE ARE THE TIMES THAT TRY MEN'S SOULS. AND THE PEOPLE THAT STAND UP AND FIGHT ARE THE ONES THAT SHOULD BE REWARDED. NOT THE ONES THAT PANSY BACK IN THE CORNER AND SAY ITS OUR FAULT. THE LINE, "LOVE, NOT WAR" DOESN'T SAVE LIVES. IT ONLY BUILDS CONFIDENCE IN THE ENEMIES. DO YOU DISAGREE?

Add this one to your collection:

"Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an interolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer."

Thomas Paine, COMMON SENSE. Released in publication January 10, 1776.

I HAVE HEARD THAT ONE. I READ AND STUDIED IT. I WILL AGREE. AND I ALMOST USED IT BUT DIDN'T WANT TWO PAINE QUOTES. I LIKE IT BECAUSE GOVERNMENT IS A "NECESSARY EVIL." YES, TWO KEY WORDS. NECESSARY AND EVIL. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY BOTH MEAN SO I DON'T NEED TO TREAT YOU LIKE A CHILD ON THIS ONE.

Perhaps you ought to read Thoreau again. You might change your mind about him as well. Start with his pamphlet, ON CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE.

I KNOW THOREAU AS MUCH AS I WANT TO. HE DIDN'T WANT A GOVERNMENT. HE DIDN'T PAY TAXES. HE THOUGHT THAT SOCIETY WOULD BE BETTER WITHOUT GOVERNMENT. LIKE PAINE SAID, IT IS A "NECESSARY EVIL." WHY? BECAUSE CHAOS WILL PREVAIL. I WILL ADMIT, MY THOREAU IS A LITTLE RUSTY, BUT I REMEMBER HIM BETTER THEN MANY OTHER WRITERS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, BECAUSE HIS VIEWS WERE VERY TWISTED. YOU MAY NOT THINK SO. WHAT CAN I DO?

That is taken out of context. Better go back and read the whole thing. Jefferson is talking about the duly constituted government of Great Britain which established the Colonies in the first place. He is referring to what happens when the government goes out of control.

While you are at it, read the Declaration Of Independence. Think about what the words actually mean -- and apply them to the government we see around us today.

I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN CALL IT OUT OF CONTEXT. I QUOTED IT BECAUSE THAT PARAGRAPH SAYS EXACTLY WANT I WANT TO SAY. I THINK YOU JUST REALLY ENJOY SAYING "OUT OF CONTEXT."

In the world as it is today, "we" (that is the U.S. gooferfuckedupment) ARE!

WHAT? I GET IT NOW. YOU GET YOUR JOLLIES BY CHANGING THE WORD "GOVERNMENT" AROUND. HAVE AT IT.

The truth is simply this: it isn't the Moslems who came to the west to push us around, steal our resources, sneer at our customs and beliefs, depose our leaders and replace them with puppets, reshape our political institutions, or redraw our national borders to fit their own foul purposes. Nope, that's what "we" have been doing to THEM!

IT SOUDNS LIKE YOU ARE BLAMING OUR COUNTRY FOR 911. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT TO MAKE EXCUSSES FOR THEIR ACTIONS. YOU SHOULDN'T. THEY ARE EVIL AND WANT EVERYONE THAT ISN'T JUST LIKE THEM DEAD. THEY DO THIS BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN A COUNTRY LIKE YOUR THOREAU WANTED. ONE WITHOUT A TRUE DEMOCRACY OR GOVERNMENT. WE DID NOT MAKE THEM EVIL. WE DID NOT MAKE THEM TERRORISTS. WHY IS IT OUR FAULT?

Who are you quoting there?

WELL, NO ONE. THATS WHY THERE WASN'T A QUOTATION MARKS.

Its funny, in a sad sort of way. Ever since it threw off the Mongol subjugation in the 15th Century, Russia had been paranoid about the "security" of its borders. Paranoid to the extent that the security of the borders of the countries surrounding it came to be looked upon as a threat. To eliminate that imagined threat, it had to conquer those countries. But those countries had other borders . . . .

Defeat Russia? It looks more like America became Russia!

The first line of defense being our own borders was EXACTLY what men like Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, George Washington, John Hancock, and others, had in mind. Remember Jeffersons words from his first inaugural address? "... peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none ..." Looks like we have just the opposite today.

Osama Bin Laden became an enemy when the U.S. gummymint refused to pay him the 97 million dollars they owed him. Sadam Hussein was not a threat to the United States, in fact it was the U.S. gummymint that put him in power in the first place.

The only "enemies" the U.S. has are enemies created by the U.S. goofermint.

Ken V.

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN OUTSIDE THE US? DO YOU KNOW HOW THE REAL WORLD IS? THESE QUESTIONS AREN'T COMING FROM ME, BUT FROM A CURIOUS BY-STANDER. HE THINKS THAT YOU ARE A LIBERAL ARTS MAJOR THAT DOESN'T RESPECT OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE HE WAS TOUGHT TO BE THAT WAY. HE SEES THAT YOU LOVE QUOTES AND THAT THINK YOU CAN DANCE YOURSELF AROUND THE REAL WORLD BY USING THEM.

IT SEEMS THAT YOU FANCY YOURSELF SOME KIND OF ANARCHIST. I CAN'T CONTINUE TO TALK TO YOU BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE CRAZY. YOU ARE CRAZY BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BLAME THE US FIRST THEN FILL IN THE BLANKS WITH WACKY IDEOLOGY. SAYING WE HAVE BECOME RUSSIA. I'M SORRY, BUT YOU ARE WAY OFF. I WON'T BE ABLE TO CONVINCE YOU DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED. I DISPISE THESE PATHETIC PEOPLE WHO WANT TO FIND REASON IN WHY THESE TERRORISTS DO WHAT THEY DO. THAT REASON ALWAYS SEEMS TO END UP BEING THE RESIDENT REPUBLICAN.

AND TELL ME WHAT WAS THIS $97 MILLION THAT WE "OWED" BIN LADEN? I HAVE NEVER BEEN TOLD ABOUT THIS.

I WENT OFF ON THIS ONE. I'M SORRY AND I HOPE THE OTHER READERS DON'T LABEL ME A JERK. I WON'T DO IT AGAIN BECAUSE I WON'T RESPOND TO MR. VALENTINE'S OTHER POSTS. I SHOULDN'T GET THIS WAY. I WILL READ WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, BUT I WON'T LET MYSELF GET LIKE THIS AGAIN.

All I have heard you reference are Sean Hannity and Anne Coulter who are so right wing that they lean when they walk.

The difference is that they give you back up when they read. Like I said earlier, they give you reference points on everything they tell you. So, if one thinks its a lie, go and look it up. That way, right-winged ideals can be double checked with fact.

Have you by chance read Al Franken's book?

KEE-RECT! It's done from the Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Liar Elder shows.

Hey Ken, I have no problem with their attacking. They dish it out and they take. I'm fairly entertained by it.

David Duke was a Republican and a Grand Dragon leader of the Ku Klux Klan. (One of those radical right wing groups the Republican Party finds so embarassing.) He ran for numerous offices in Louisiana in the '80's and '90's.

There are a lot of Democrats in the KKK too. Racism isn't political.

On a side not, I believe both David Duke and Edwin Edwards (from that famous Louisiana Governor's race) are now in prison.

RIK

On a side not, I believe both David Duke and Edwin Edwards (from that famous Louisiana Governor's race) are now in prison.

Edwin Edwards is; Duke was released in May of this year, I think.

Have you by chance read Al Franken's book?

I have not. I always liked him on SNL but lost a lot of respect when I saw him mini-debate O'Reilly. O'Reilly tore apart the book Liar, Liar, Liar or whatever it is called, and Franken resorted to name calling. I'm probably like you though, I wouldn't want to give him a dime of my money (you wouldn't want to give O'Reilly a dime) so when I'm short on books to read, I will pick it up at the library. But I have to finish the AC and the RJ series, first. It's not that I won't refuse to read them (Franken or Moore), its that I would rather read other fiction novels first.

There are a lot of Democrats in the KKK too. Racism isn't political.

On a side not, I believe both David Duke and Edwin Edwards (from that famous Louisiana Governor's race) are now in prison.

RIK

I agree with this, but will admit that the few that actually do vote from these groups probably vote R. But there are also registered Democrats who vote R.

I got into a conversation with a friend of mine about this. He said that if they vote Republican, then I am forced to consider them a Republican. Makes sense. But then I was told from someone else that the majority of these radical groups don't vote. I don't know if that is true, though (anyone here know?). Plus, I was told "what will these groups benefit from voting Republican? The Republicans aren't catering (we don't recognize their concerns) to the KKK or Neo-Nazis." And that is true. This is why I say that I don't consider them to be Republicans.

Sublime, Welcome to the board! Back when we had the Old Board of Blessed Memory, I asked the gang if I were the only soul around who supports President Bush. Our Lovely and Gracious Queen Sue responded, Well, maybe you're not the only one, but you're probably in the minority. So it's a real pleasure to welcome aboard an hombre who's aware WE ARE AT FUCKING WAR...Western Civilization against the dregs of a failed culture. Keep posting, man! But a word of advice--watch out for Biggles. He's a mean and tricky brawler. And that goes double for Ken Valentine.

I don't think I've seen Biggles on this topic yet.

Thanks for the welcome.

Rob