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nijimeijer   06-26-2004, 02:22 PM
#11
This is all so great. It's like FPW is giving us an "Editing 101" quickie course with his own stuff. I can't wait for the new edition (given that I just finished re-reading the 98 edition).

Has your editing impacted the page count significantly?

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Victors hang in pictures, losers from ropes.
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Lisa   06-26-2004, 06:50 PM
#12
Paul, this is great. I've been trying to cut out passive voice in my writing too, as you know. It's nice to see someone else's examples since it's easy to miss stuff in your own writing.

Lisa
Kenji   06-26-2004, 08:05 PM
#13
Paul, you are "Editor of the year"! You should write script for movie. Big Grin
This is awesome and fascinating!
fpw   06-26-2004, 08:08 PM
#14
Lisa Wrote:Paul, this is great. I've been trying to cut out passive voice in my writing too, as you know. It's nice to see someone else's examples since it's easy to miss stuff in your own writing.

Word processors can be a big help here, Lisa. Do a global search for "There was," "There were," and "It was," then fix what you can. That's a good start.

Sometimes the simplest, clearest and most succinct form is passive, but not often -- especially in fiction.

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Lisa   06-26-2004, 08:51 PM
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fpw Wrote:Word processors can be a big help here, Lisa. Do a global search for "There was," "There were," and "It was," then fix what you can. That's a good start.

Yah, I've actually been doing that, per an earlier suggestion of yours. Still, it sneaks in there, and 95% of the time it looks better after I change it to active voice.

Lisa
jimbow8   06-26-2004, 11:24 PM
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Biggles Wrote:I took a judicial writing course back in the '80s, and the first thing the faculty told us was "get rid of passive voice". Legal writing from the 20th Century back is just filled with passive voice (and yes, I know that was passive voice ). Big Grin Chief Justice John Marshall (whom I despise for more important reasons) was one of the worst offenders. You should read some of his "great" opinions, such as Marbury v. Madison and Gibbons v. Ogden.
Passive voice is a good way to abdicate responsibility. Perhaps that is why it is so popular among the justices. Wink

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. ... The piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
~ Howard Phillips Lovecraft
Susan   06-27-2004, 05:47 PM
#17
fpw Wrote:Word processors can be a big help here, Lisa. Do a global search for "There was," "There were," and "It was," then fix what you can. That's a good start.

Sometimes the simplest, clearest and most succinct form is passive, but not often -- especially in fiction.

That's a good tip!

Susan

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Biggles   06-27-2004, 06:02 PM
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jimbow8 Wrote:Passive voice is a good way to abdicate responsibility. Perhaps that is why it is so popular among the justices. Wink

It is written that is so.

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nonsun blob a   06-27-2004, 07:46 PM
#19
you're great, fpw
Bluesman Mike Lindner   06-27-2004, 08:15 PM
#20
Biggles Wrote:It is written that is so.

On the rare occasions I write fiction, rather than lyrics, I prefer the passive-aggressive voice.
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