I wonder if this is what Tom's new home is like? And when he first arrived, things looked a bit like this?

Well, doesn't that thing floating before the man(-like character) almost resemble the Lilitongue? And like in "The Barrens," I wonder if a whole new range of senses and appearances exist around Tom, now that he's in a very "Other" world?

...now that would be a cool spin-off story: Tom's new life in...?

I wonder if this is what Tom's new home is like? And when he first arrived, things looked a bit like this?

Well, doesn't that thing floating before the man(-like character) almost resemble the Lilitongue? And like in "The Barrens," I wonder if a whole new range of senses and appearances exist around Tom, now that he's in a very "Other" world?

...now that would be a cool spin-off story: Tom's new life in...?

I don't think that even Paul would dispute that The Otherness has some similarities and was somewhat inspired by Lovecraft.

Cool pics, BTW.

I don't think that even Paul would dispute that The Otherness has some similarities and was somewhat inspired by Lovecraft.

Cool pics, BTW.

Oh no, of course he wouldn't. Hell, just look at the books being mentioned in The Keep: Al-Azif, De Vermis Mysteriis, The Book of Eibon, The Pnakotic Manuscripts...all are totally either Lovecraft or second-generation Mythos.

And yes, they are cool pics. I love Giacomo Carmangola's artwork. Total Lovecraft (more about the ambient feelings rather than the actual monsters).

(more about the ambient feelings rather than the actual monsters).

Well stated. I've tried rather unsuccessfully to verbalize that sentiment. I may have to steal this.

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But is the Lilitongue necessarily related to the Otherness? In Harbingers we get told that a lot of Jack's losses are related to the Ally, not the Otherness. And the Lilitongue was created by a wizard to "elude his enemies", but that doesn't necessarily indicate the wizard was evil and related to the Otherness (not that it would be a stretch), nor that he would fashion an infernal to escape there. Maybe Tom isn't in the Otherness, but somewhere associated with the Ally power. And maybe that's not necessarily any better....

Just a thought.

Blake

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But is the Lilitongue necessarily related to the Otherness? In Harbingers we get told that a lot of Jack's losses are related to the Ally, not the Otherness. And the Lilitongue was created by a wizard to "elude his enemies", but that doesn't necessarily indicate the wizard was evil and related to the Otherness (not that it would be a stretch), nor that he would fashion an infernal to escape there. Maybe Tom isn't in the Otherness, but somewhere associated with the Ally power. And maybe that's not necessarily any better....

Just a thought.

Blake

Very interesting thought! It's possible that the Lilitongue didn't take Tom to the Otherness, but wherever he went, it can't be anyplace good because:

:eek: The Lilitongue is an Infernal. That can't be something good.
:eek: The only information about it was in a "Forbidden" book. Also not looking good.
:eek: The girl with the dog told Tom to throw it back in the water. Definitely not a good sign.

I sure hope we get more clues about what happened to Tom in the remaining RJ books!

Very interesting thought! It's possible that the Lilitongue didn't take Tom to the Otherness, but wherever he went, it can't be anyplace good because:

:eek: The Lilitongue is an Infernal. That can't be something good.
:eek: The only information about it was in a "Forbidden" book. Also not looking good.
:eek: The girl with the dog told Tom to throw it back in the water. Definitely not a good sign.

I sure hope we get more clues about what happened to Tom in the remaining RJ books!

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An interesting idea here. Maybe Tom DID get sent to the Ally. This may not be all bad though.
If the infernal Lilitongue could transport a person from their enemies, protection from the Otherness was something sought when the Lilitontongue was made. It's been hidden for hundreds of years, made in a time when the Ally was more interested in us.
As to the forbidden books.......well they were seen by humans as bad or evil. Several could have been written by forces of the Ally.....and just grouped with the evil texts, because humans didn't understand them.
Now on the subject of the girl with the dog on the dock. She tells Tom to throw the Lilitongue away. Could this be because she =only= now represents humanity and doesn't depend/trust the ally anymore?
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I also remember a passage in the Revised Nightworld by Jack before he heads back to Glaeken's apt. About checking with Tom, he's dead but able to communicate with Jack, as a ghost.

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****Super Spoiler****Revised Nightworld
I also remember a passage in the Revised Nightworld by Jack before he heads back to Glaeken's apt. About checking with Tom, he's dead but able to communicate with Jack, as a ghost.

Are you sure you're not thinking of Charlie from The Haunted Air? If not, I missed something pretty major in the revised Nightworld....

Blake

One more thought: If the Otherness really wanted to piss Jack off, wouldn't it want to keep Tom around?

Blake

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Are you sure you're not thinking of Charlie from The Haunted Air? If not, I missed something pretty major in the revised Nightworld....

Blake

I lent my copy of the revised Nightworld to Dan, so I can't quote you a page. But I think I remember Jack going back to speak with Tom and Charlie before he goes back to the apt. If I'm wrong.....well I'm wrong.