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Maggers   12-12-2005, 02:52 AM
#1
I was looking forward to "Brokeback Mountain." The trailer really got me. Unfortunately, the trailer is where the best of the movie lies. I wound up seeing it in Chelsea at a theater showing the film about 3 times more frequently than anywhere else, and all the shows sold out. As the lights came up at the end of the movie, there was not the thunderous approval I had expected, given this was the target audience.

The movie is beautiful to look at. Ang Lee is a painterly director. His images are lovely. But something was missing and I'm not sure what. The burgeoning relationship between the leads takes place on Brokeback Mountain. It's pivotal to the movie and is, in fact, the heart of the film. But the growth and depth of this relationship seemed rushed, not fully formed. Jake Gyllenhaal was not strong enough, and Keith Ledger was terrific. Somehow the whole of it fell short. Too bad.

It's worth a look once it gets to DVD.
This post was last modified: 12-12-2005, 09:32 AM by Maggers.

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The mind soars, no earthly cares,
no limitations.
A Maggers Haiku, 2005


Years ago my mother used to say to me... "In this world, Elwood, you can be oh so smart or oh so pleasant."
Well, for years I was smart.
I recommend pleasant.
You may quote me.

Elwood P. Dowd

Paige   12-12-2005, 08:44 PM
#2
I cannot wait to see it. I absolutely loved the short story when I read it years ago.

"Life — and I don't suppose I'm the first to make this comparison — is a disease: sexually transmitted, and invariably fatal."
Death Talks About Life Neil Gaiman
Subadi   12-19-2005, 11:34 AM
#3
My wife loves some of E. Annie Proulx's books, esp the shipping news. I've never been able to get more than a couple of pages into any of them. Are there any men who are fans of her writings ? I'm sure she is wonderfully skilled academically, and that most professional critics will love her, so I'm not talking about men critics. I mean men "people" - are there any out there who really enjoy reading her ?
Tony H   12-19-2005, 12:34 PM
#4
Having read the short story on which this movie is based it surprises me that Ang Lee squeezed out 2 and a half hours worth of material form a 48 page large print story.


I have not seen the movie but can say that the short story left a lot to be desired. The relationship was definitely rushed in the book as there was a lot to be said in such a short tale. The story is gritty and though it is indeed a love story the trick is to not make it a love story because of the subject matter and the type of charcters the two leads are.

This movie sat for years in script development due to the fact that no director/producer wanted to touch it because of the difficulty in translating the story to celluloid.

In written form we can forgive the sudden and abrupt joining of the two men and the 20 years that subsequently pass in the span of 40 some pages. My fear though is that the film is going to lose the feel of the book, the gritiness and feeling of loss and confusion the two men felt in the story. A lot was left unsaid in the book and relied on the charcters thoughts.

Not once did the two charcters every say they loved each other though the reader knows they did. The closest we get to confirmation that these two guys do indeed care for each other and love one another is when one says to the other, "Why can't I quit you?"

I will see this, but my expectations are low.

(I doubt it will even play here in Arkansas.)

“I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum.”
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Anders Monsen   12-19-2005, 01:15 PM
#5
Many years ago I read the collection in which this story appears. I don't think it's the best tale in the book, and not the most memorable one. Proulx's writing style is sparse, much like the country in which it's set. I have not seen the movie, but I do think she's a great writer.
Maggers   12-19-2005, 05:50 PM
#6
AsMoral Wrote:Having read the short story on which this movie is based it surprises me that Ang Lee squeezed out 2 and a half hours worth of material form a 48 page large print story.


I have not seen the movie but can say that the short story left a lot to be desired. The relationship was definitely rushed in the book as there was a lot to be said in such a short tale. The story is gritty and though it is indeed a love story the trick is to not make it a love story because of the subject matter and the type of charcters the two leads are.

This movie sat for years in script development due to the fact that no director/producer wanted to touch it because of the difficulty in translating the story to celluloid.

In written form we can forgive the sudden and abrupt joining of the two men and the 20 years that subsequently pass in the span of 40 some pages. My fear though is that the film is going to lose the feel of the book, the gritiness and feeling of loss and confusion the two men felt in the story. A lot was left unsaid in the book and relied on the charcters thoughts.

Not once did the two charcters every say they loved each other though the reader knows they did. The closest we get to confirmation that these two guys do indeed care for each other and love one another is when one says to the other, "Why can't I quit you?"

I will see this, but my expectations are low.

(I doubt it will even play here in Arkansas.)

Without having seen the film, Tony, you summed it up brilliantly. Apparently Ang Lee got everything there was in the book, plus threw in LOTS of stunningly beautiful scenery. The guys never acknowledged their love as such, it was that "why can't I quit you?" thing.

Everything that you state as problematic in the short story is what is problematic in the film.

I actually think you'll enjoy the movie. It surely is lovely to look at, in terms of both the mountains and the men.

Reading is freedom.
The mind soars, no earthly cares,
no limitations.
A Maggers Haiku, 2005


Years ago my mother used to say to me... "In this world, Elwood, you can be oh so smart or oh so pleasant."
Well, for years I was smart.
I recommend pleasant.
You may quote me.

Elwood P. Dowd

KRW   12-19-2005, 09:02 PM
#7
Maggers Wrote:I was looking forward to "Brokeback Mountain." The trailer really got me. Unfortunately, the trailer is where the best of the movie lies. I wound up seeing it in Chelsea at a theater showing the film about 3 times more frequently than anywhere else, and all the shows sold out. As the lights came up at the end of the movie, there was not the thunderous approval I had expected, given this was the target audience.

The movie is beautiful to look at. Ang Lee is a painterly director. His images are lovely. But something was missing and I'm not sure what. The burgeoning relationship between the leads takes place on Brokeback Mountain. It's pivotal to the movie and is, in fact, the heart of the film. But the growth and depth of this relationship seemed rushed, not fully formed. Jake Gyllenhaal was not strong enough, and Keith Ledger was terrific. Somehow the whole of it fell short. Too bad.

It's worth a look once it gets to DVD.


Also, didn't I see sheep in that trailer? Why did I see them hugging each other? Ewe would think they had better prospects. Big Grin


KRW
t4terrific   12-19-2005, 09:32 PM
#8
KRW Wrote:Also, didn't I see sheep in that trailer? Why did I see them hugging each other? Ewe would think they had better prospects. Big Grin


KRW

In the words of Eric Cartman, "just a bunch of gay cowboys eating pudding!".
Tony H   12-20-2005, 09:00 AM
#9
KRW Wrote:Also, didn't I see sheep in that trailer? Why did I see them hugging each other? Ewe would think they had better prospects. Big Grin


KRW

Women appear in the trailer too. Everyone knows that people turn gay only because they can't find the right woman. Or sheep.

“I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum.”
Certified 100% Serious
Maggers   12-20-2005, 11:55 AM
#10
KRW Wrote:Also, didn't I see sheep in that trailer? Why did I see them hugging each other? Ewe would think they had better prospects. Big Grin


KRW


That's kind of crass. The film is about a whole lot more than just sex between men.

What do you do when you love someone and you know you will never have the life with that person that you so desire? Whether your a man or a woman, it's painful and the heartache may be something you never get over.

Reading is freedom.
The mind soars, no earthly cares,
no limitations.
A Maggers Haiku, 2005


Years ago my mother used to say to me... "In this world, Elwood, you can be oh so smart or oh so pleasant."
Well, for years I was smart.
I recommend pleasant.
You may quote me.

Elwood P. Dowd

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