Maggers Wrote:Agreed...that previous post was truly tasteless and has no point on any board. I'm waiting now for poems about blacks, Hispanics, and any other minority group because, apparently, why not. Everyone is up for grabs; we should all be graphically and stupidly insulted for being what..human?
I thought it was funny in a gross way, but I find humour almost everywhere. I thought "Home of the deranged" with the same melody was better but that's my point of view. But I won't liken a discussion about gays to Hispanics or blacks. That's like comparing peaches to black eyed peas. And since no one is perfect, we should be able to make fun of humans when we see humour. Since when do we have to find someone elses term of politacly correct the same as our own? No doubt this is a contraversial thread. Why?
BTW, I finally found a review of this movie I like. http://www.rense.com/general69/brokev.htm
KRW
KRW Wrote:That's like comparing peaches to black eyed peas.
KRW
Me too. I am grossed out by peaches, but love black-eyed peas (especially with a great big hunk of ham).
Maggers Wrote:Hmm...not quite sure why the poem was posted again, a scant 6 hours later, with nothing but the post title changed slightly. I'm also not sure why being a New Yorker makes any difference with such a post. I was born and raised in NYC and still live here. My brother is gay and I wouldn't think to speak of him in such a fashion. I just don't find it funny.
A lot of people use being a "New Yorker" as an excuse for a lot of undesirable traits. I don't understand it. Could I use being from "The South" as an explanation for my bad traits too?
Maggers Wrote:My brother is gay and I wouldn't think to speak of him in such a fashion.
Your brother can kiss all the guys he wants (or girls even). I don't care at all. I just don't want him to be offended if I am visibly disghusted if I see him kissing another man. Otherwise, it's his life. If it makes him happy, have at it.
t4terrific Wrote:Me too. I am grossed out by peaches, but love black-eyed peas (especially with a great big hunk of ham).
Can I get an AMEN!
KRW
t4terrific Wrote:Your brother can kiss all the guys he wants (or girls even). I don't care at all. I just don't want him to be offended if I am visibly disghusted if I see him kissing another man. Otherwise, it's his life. If it makes him happy, have at it.
Once again, a hearty AMEN!
KRW- sorry if I'm being repeatative
Can you guys explain to me why, are you commenting in this thread?
If you haven't seen the movie and are not planing to see it, what kind of possible comment can you have on the subject?
If you wish to discuss social issues that involve homosexuality, you are welcome to do it. Just not here. Start a new thread.
Sorry, just getting some steam off my chest.
Personally, I feel that it's one of the best adaptation I've seen on screen. I'm happy that it lived up to my expectation, not only that, but surpassed them in breathtaking way. No, it is not the best movie I've seen in my entire life. Yes, it is the best thing I've seen all year.
If you haven't seen the movie and are not planing to see it, what kind of possible comment can you have on the subject?
If you wish to discuss social issues that involve homosexuality, you are welcome to do it. Just not here. Start a new thread.
Sorry, just getting some steam off my chest.
Personally, I feel that it's one of the best adaptation I've seen on screen. I'm happy that it lived up to my expectation, not only that, but surpassed them in breathtaking way. No, it is not the best movie I've seen in my entire life. Yes, it is the best thing I've seen all year.
This post was last modified: 01-16-2006, 04:32 AM by Paige.
"Life — and I don't suppose I'm the first to make this comparison — is a disease: sexually transmitted, and invariably fatal."
Death Talks About Life Neil Gaiman
I just saw Brokeback Moutnain on Friday night and I have to say that I managed to enjoy it and was bored silly at the same time.
Having read the short story and the thread posted by Maggers I can say that I expected some flaws.
For starters I have to commend Ang Lee on a brilliantly filmed picture. The scenery, as in most of his films, is the true star. With Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Lee gave us plush green scenes and desolate deserts that fit so well with the narrative. Each scene beautifully crafted and stunningly filmed.
With HULK, no matter how bad the script may have been, Lee managed yet again to use the scenery to his advantage. In my personal opinion there is not a single director out there who can use the environment to the capacity that Ang Lee can. Simply mesmerizing.
In Brokeback Mountain we get sweeping vistas, sprawling land, blue skies and dusty texas streets. The film has a washed out look which conveys the isolation the two men feel in this film. I couldn't take my eyes off the screen, this picture is hypnotizing.
The cast in this picture is top notch, not one poorly acted scene in the entire movie. Surprisingly Anne Hathaway (The Princess Diaries) and Michelle Williams (Dawson's Creek) are competent actors who are miles away from their family-friendly, teens angst-ridden personas. Both actresses are simply amazing though their charcters are at the opposite end of the social spectrum. Both ladies deserve any accolades sent their way.
The subject of the movie is love. No matter how ugly some may deem the act of two men falling in love, the universal theme in above all else love, in it's most true and pure form.
The film is depressing, not a lot of feel-good moments take place, save for a few. When Jack Swift played by Jake Gyllenhall finally stands up to his curmudgeon father-in-law, the audience cheered.
Jake plays Jack Swift to perfection. He is endearing, sweet, and overall a doe-eyed innocent. He comes to terms quickly with who he is but is forced to live by societal norms. Even with a wife and child he looks for the chance to escape to the life that truly allows him to be who he is. It is in this struggle that his friend and lover Ennis Del Mar plays a pivotal role.
Swift can see his life with Ennis, the two of them owning their own ranch and settling down together. His ties to wife and family are constraints, truly ties that bind. The clueless Ann Hathaway is more concerned with keeping up appearances and doesn't seem to care that her husband disappears for days on end. She is unquestioning so long as he is by her side at fancy restaurants/dance halls. Ignorance is bliss.
This brings me to the tragic character played with oscar-caliber performance by Heath Ledger. Ennis Del Mar is a loner, haunted by the visions and hard knock life that he has endured. Ennis keeps everyone at arms length, too afraid to get close to anyone as his past dictates that if he loves someone they will vanish from his life.
He lost his family at an early age but not before his father showed him the body of an old man who was horribly beaten and dragged to his death just for being "different". He lost his brother and sister and was never formally educated. He settles into a life with his wife Alma and three children.
Alma is a perfect companion to Ennis' downtrodden persona. She is a housewife barely making ends meet through her part-time job at the local grocers while Ennis labors away with any blue collar job he can find.
When Ennis and Jack meet atop Brokeback Mountain a friendship is formed over several weeks. They see in each other a stark contrast to their own lives and slowly they begin to feel for each other. Slight nuances show the progession, from stories around a campfire to Ennis finally lowering his tough-guy facade. Eventually the two end up sleeping with each other and from there they spend the next twenty years trying to compromise a relationship.
What works for Jack doesn't necessarily work for Ennis and vice versa. The best they can manage is to see each other when they can, a plan that begins to deteriorate Jack Swift. His longing for somthething substantial can be felt and it is portrayed to heartbreaking effect.
The movie runs long considering the source material and could have been trimmed. What we get in return is a more fleshed out history which makes the tragedy of the film all the more heart-wrenching.
Is Brokeback Mountain a gay cowboy movie? No. It happens to feature men who are cowboys and fall in love. It is not garphic or pornographic. Of the 2 hour and 7 minute movie only 1 minute and change is spent on showing the men "together".
If this film earns any awards it will do so based on its own merit and talent, not because Hollywood loves a controversial film. Brokeback Mountatin is a simple film, beautiful, and sad.
Having read the short story and the thread posted by Maggers I can say that I expected some flaws.
For starters I have to commend Ang Lee on a brilliantly filmed picture. The scenery, as in most of his films, is the true star. With Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Lee gave us plush green scenes and desolate deserts that fit so well with the narrative. Each scene beautifully crafted and stunningly filmed.
With HULK, no matter how bad the script may have been, Lee managed yet again to use the scenery to his advantage. In my personal opinion there is not a single director out there who can use the environment to the capacity that Ang Lee can. Simply mesmerizing.
In Brokeback Mountain we get sweeping vistas, sprawling land, blue skies and dusty texas streets. The film has a washed out look which conveys the isolation the two men feel in this film. I couldn't take my eyes off the screen, this picture is hypnotizing.
The cast in this picture is top notch, not one poorly acted scene in the entire movie. Surprisingly Anne Hathaway (The Princess Diaries) and Michelle Williams (Dawson's Creek) are competent actors who are miles away from their family-friendly, teens angst-ridden personas. Both actresses are simply amazing though their charcters are at the opposite end of the social spectrum. Both ladies deserve any accolades sent their way.
The subject of the movie is love. No matter how ugly some may deem the act of two men falling in love, the universal theme in above all else love, in it's most true and pure form.
The film is depressing, not a lot of feel-good moments take place, save for a few. When Jack Swift played by Jake Gyllenhall finally stands up to his curmudgeon father-in-law, the audience cheered.
Jake plays Jack Swift to perfection. He is endearing, sweet, and overall a doe-eyed innocent. He comes to terms quickly with who he is but is forced to live by societal norms. Even with a wife and child he looks for the chance to escape to the life that truly allows him to be who he is. It is in this struggle that his friend and lover Ennis Del Mar plays a pivotal role.
Swift can see his life with Ennis, the two of them owning their own ranch and settling down together. His ties to wife and family are constraints, truly ties that bind. The clueless Ann Hathaway is more concerned with keeping up appearances and doesn't seem to care that her husband disappears for days on end. She is unquestioning so long as he is by her side at fancy restaurants/dance halls. Ignorance is bliss.
This brings me to the tragic character played with oscar-caliber performance by Heath Ledger. Ennis Del Mar is a loner, haunted by the visions and hard knock life that he has endured. Ennis keeps everyone at arms length, too afraid to get close to anyone as his past dictates that if he loves someone they will vanish from his life.
He lost his family at an early age but not before his father showed him the body of an old man who was horribly beaten and dragged to his death just for being "different". He lost his brother and sister and was never formally educated. He settles into a life with his wife Alma and three children.
Alma is a perfect companion to Ennis' downtrodden persona. She is a housewife barely making ends meet through her part-time job at the local grocers while Ennis labors away with any blue collar job he can find.
When Ennis and Jack meet atop Brokeback Mountain a friendship is formed over several weeks. They see in each other a stark contrast to their own lives and slowly they begin to feel for each other. Slight nuances show the progession, from stories around a campfire to Ennis finally lowering his tough-guy facade. Eventually the two end up sleeping with each other and from there they spend the next twenty years trying to compromise a relationship.
What works for Jack doesn't necessarily work for Ennis and vice versa. The best they can manage is to see each other when they can, a plan that begins to deteriorate Jack Swift. His longing for somthething substantial can be felt and it is portrayed to heartbreaking effect.
The movie runs long considering the source material and could have been trimmed. What we get in return is a more fleshed out history which makes the tragedy of the film all the more heart-wrenching.
Is Brokeback Mountain a gay cowboy movie? No. It happens to feature men who are cowboys and fall in love. It is not garphic or pornographic. Of the 2 hour and 7 minute movie only 1 minute and change is spent on showing the men "together".
If this film earns any awards it will do so based on its own merit and talent, not because Hollywood loves a controversial film. Brokeback Mountatin is a simple film, beautiful, and sad.
This post was last modified: 01-16-2006, 11:30 AM by Tony H.
“I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum.”
Certified 100% Serious
NewYorkjoe Wrote:I'm sure to offend SOMEBODY with this, so I apologize in advance, but I can't help myself. It's either a gag reflex or PUN-ishment for offenses in my previous incarnation!
Growing up in Manhattan, one becomes more used to and accepting of gays than in other parts of the country (except, perhaps, for San Francisco and Philadelphia). After all, Stonewall took place in the Village in the late 60's and that was really the Concord of the activist gay movement. However, that does not mean that you cannot make fun of them . . . especially when they begin to take themselves SOOOO theriously! Accordingly, since I enjoy putting new words to familiar tunes:
The Ballad of Bust-Ass Mountain
(or Homos on the Range, to the tune, "Home on the Range")
Oh, show me a homo, with his jeans worn so low,
that his ass crack is shown on display.
With a tube of K-Y, that I'll smear on his thigh,
then, I'll drive him on home all the day.
Chorus:
Homos on the Range, where the queers and the pederasts play,
If you're tired of the "Y," and the Navy, don't try,
Just head to the West for some head!
Some guys prefer sheep, where the wool ain't too deep,
And, some others a heifer that's cute!
As for me, I get hard, when I'm feelin' my pard,
Then, up his tight butt I will scoot!
(Chorus)
Well, it's time Hollywood made a gay film that's good,
And, who knows? Maybe this one won't lack!
Maybe next time cowboys will pick up Indian boys,
And, the warpath will be a dirt track!
(Chorus)
You get the idea, feel free to add verses!
Oh this gun-toting ass
made a humorous pass
but the humor never arrived
he came across infantile
digusting and vile
and nothing clever was ever derived.
“I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum.”
Certified 100% Serious
Paige Wrote:Can you guys explain to me why, are you commenting in this thread?
If you haven't seen the movie and are not planing to see it, what kind of possible comment can you have on the subject?
If you wish to discuss social issues that involve homosexuality, you are welcome to do it. Just not here. Start a new thread.
Sorry, just getting some steam off my chest.
Personally, I feel that it's one of the best adaptation I've seen on screen. I'm happy that it lived up to my expectation, not only that, but surpassed them in breathtaking way. No, it is not the best movie I've seen in my entire life. Yes, it is the best thing I've seen all year.
I don't think there is a law stealing my right to get involved in a discussion about a movie, that I would never watch. I don't think you have the authority to make the decision either. If you do, I don't recognize it.
This post was last modified: 01-16-2006, 11:54 AM by t4terrific.