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Noelie   07-25-2004, 03:17 AM
#11
Most dated movies? Almost anything that was filmed in and set in the 80's. :p
Hung By The Neck Til Dead   07-25-2004, 07:19 AM
#12
Kenji Asakura Wrote:Dated movies.....One of the apocalyptic movies, it's Soylent Green. Yeah, it is! Charlton Heston's last scream, "Soylent green is human!" I couldn't forget the words.


Yes it is, but you must admit, Soylent Green is great with BBQ sauce.
Of course I also say, "Children, The OTHER red meat." Big Grin
fpw   07-25-2004, 08:33 AM
#13
Hey, Mick C -- I like your sig file. Where's the verse from?

It's dark out, Jack!
the stations out there don't identify themselves
we're in it raw-blind like burned rats
it's running out all around us
the footprints of the Beast
one nobody has any notion of.
The white and vacant eyes of something above there
something that doesn't know we exist.
I smell heartbreak up there, Jack
a heartbreak at the center of things
and in which we don't figure at all.

- Kenneth Patchen

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Mick C.   07-25-2004, 01:12 PM
#14
fpw Wrote:Hey, Mick C -- I like your sig file. Where's the verse from?

It's dark out, Jack!
the stations out there don't identify themselves
we're in it raw-blind like burned rats
it's running out all around us
the footprints of the Beast
one nobody has any notion of.
The white and vacant eyes of something above there
something that doesn't know we exist.
I smell heartbreak up there, Jack
a heartbreak at the center of things
and in which we don't figure at all.

- Kenneth Patchen

That poem seems appropriate for the Adversary Cycle, especially the Repairman Jack books, doesn't it?

Patchen (1911-1972) was one of the Beat Poets. I know the poem is in one of his collections published by City Lights Bookstore in San Francisco, but I can't remember which one. It might also be on one of the recordings he did for Folkways Records.

It's quoted in the Charlie Mingus autobiography Beneath the Underdog: His World as Composed by Mingus:

"Not long before I worked with a poet named Patchen. He was wearing his scarlet jacket and sitting on a stool on a little stage in a theatre you walk upstairs to down on fourteenth street.

We improvised behind him while he read his poems, which I read ahead of time 'It's dark out, Jack-' this was one of his poems-'It's dark out, Jack, the stations out there don't identify themselves, we're in it raw-blind like burned rats, it's running out all around us, the footprints of the beast, one nobody has any notion of. The white and vacant eyes of something above there, something that doesn't know we exist. I smell heartbreak up there, Jack, a heartbreak at the center of things, and in which we don't figure at all.' Patchen's a real artist, you'd dig him, doctor. 'I believe in truth' he said, 'I believe that every good thought I have, all men shall have. I believe that the perfect shape of everything has been prepared.'" [p.330] - Charles Mingus


Most of Patchen's poetry and art focused on a left-wing/socialist "progressive" view of the world, but peeking out here and there was a cosmic horror at the state of things that wouldn't have been out of place in the verse of H.P. Lovecraft or Robert E. Howard:

Let Us Have Madness

Let us have madness openly.
O men Of my generation.
Let us follow
The footsteps of this slaughtered age:
See it trail across Time's dim land
Into the closed house of eternity
With the noise that dying has,
With the face that dead things wear--
nor ever say
We wanted more; we looked to find
An open door, an utter deed of love,
Transforming day's evil darkness;
but We found extended hell and fog Upon the earth,
and within the head
A rotting bog of lean huge graves.
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Bluesman Mike Lindner   07-25-2004, 07:33 PM
#15
thisisatest Wrote:By the way, what is "dated movies"? :confused:

Steve D
Thanks for the question, Kenji Ol' Bean; it never occurred to me that the term "dated" would not be understood by all. Short answer: Remember those movies that had computers that were so big that they filled up a room. Well, that movie would be dated because computers come as small as laptops these days. Also, when a movie uses "slang" that is no longer used, it is dated. For the Bluesman, I didn't mean Serpico; the movie I was thinking of was an Al Pacino flick involving murders in the Gay Community. My brother and his friends have an annual get-together where they watch and make fun of this movie (famous line from this movie: "I can't believe you're not a little bit afraid.") Anyway, the depiction of Gays in this movie is very dated, laughingly so. Gerald Rice, I recall, also had a thing about dated movies needing updates. He hated those old sci-fi flicks with the cheap special effects, cheap, that is, compared to today's standards. For Lisa, even though "Silent Running" is dated, it still brings a tear to my eye when Bruce Dern sacrifices himself alongwith the injured robot in order save the last remnants of greenery left from Earth. Sniff. Let's all go hug a tree together.[/QUOTE]

Thank you, sir. My mind is now at peace regarding SERPICO.
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