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jimbow8   01-17-2005, 10:27 AM
#11
saglaser Wrote:Star Trek II: The Search for Spock, the final confrontation between Kirk and Kruge. Kruge is hanging on for his life and Kirk, really truly dearly not wanting to, forces himself to do the Good Guy thing and reach his hand out to save him. And when Kruge tries to pull Kirk over with him, Kirk snaps! "I. . .have had. . .enough. . .of YOU!" A beautiful and under-appreciated moment for Shatner.
Actually, Star Trek II was Wrath of Khan.
Search for Spock was Star Trek III.

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Kenji   01-17-2005, 11:32 AM
#12
saglaser Wrote:Star Trek II: The Search for Spock, the final confrontation between Kirk and Kruge. Kruge is hanging on for his life and Kirk, really truly dearly not wanting to, forces himself to do the Good Guy thing and reach his hand out to save him. And when Kruge tries to pull Kirk over with him, Kirk snaps! "I. . .have had. . .enough. . .of YOU!" A beautiful and under-appreciated moment for Shatner.


And, another great moment was....

When David Marcus(Kirk's son) was killed by Klingon, after the moment, Savick said, "Captain, David is dead". Then, Kirk stunned, slowly fell down.
Kirk screamed, "Klingon's....bastard!!!".

That was memorable moments in this movie.
Blake   01-17-2005, 01:33 PM
#13
Kenji Wrote:And, another great moment was....

When David Marcus(Kirk's son) was killed by Klingon, after the moment, Savick said, "Captain, David is dead". Then, Kirk stunned, slowly fell down.
Kirk screamed, "Klingon's....bastard!!!".

That was memorable moments in this movie.

You know, Shatner is an underrated actor. He really did some terrific acting in that scene. He was completely believable and not at all over the top, which is what I think some people would expect of him. He didn't really scream it; he stumbles backwards and misses his chair and mutters, "You Klingon bastards, you killed my son." He then says it again much louder and with more emphasis, but he still isn't really screaming.

Now, he does scream in the previous film: "Khhhhaaaannnn!!!" Smile

As long as we're geeking out on '80s Trek, let's add:

Spock's death scene in II. Again, a nicely understated performance by both actors. And dammit, that scene gets to me still even though I know he comes back for more movies. Smile

Spock's funeral scene in II. Shatner again gives a truly impressive performance, particularly the way his voice breaks during the line, "Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most... human."

The Moby Dick references in II. There are many, with Khan as Ahab and Kirk as the white whale. "I'll chase him round the moons of Nibea (sp?) and round the Antares Maelstrom and round Perdition's flames before I give him up!" "From hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!" Great stuff.

Stealing the Enterprise in III. "How can you have a yellow alert in spacedock?" James Horner's score is really good here. In fact, his scores for II and III are both really good pretty much all the way through.

Sulu in III. "Don't call me tiny."

Chekov in IV getting stuck on the aircraft carrier. "Scotty, now would be a good time."

All the "profanity" in IV. "No ma'am. No dipshit." "The hell I can't." And one of the all-time great lines in the history of cinema: "Double dumbass on you!" I'm forgetting plenty of others.

The Italian food argument in IV, which is probably almost impossible to transcribe completely since Shatner and Nimoy overlap each other so much. Terrific comedic performances. "I love Italian... and so do you."

Scotty trying to talk to a Mac Plus through the mouse in IV. "Helllooo, computer."

Kirk to John Larroquette as a Klingon in III: "You. Help us or die." "I do not deserve to live." "Fine. I'll kill you later."

The destruction of the Enterprise in III.

Others?

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Kenji   01-17-2005, 05:37 PM
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Blake Wrote:You know, Shatner is an underrated actor. He really did some terrific acting in that scene. He was completely believable and not at all over the top, which is what I think some people would expect of him. He didn't really scream it; he stumbles backwards and misses his chair and mutters, "You Klingon bastards, you killed my son." He then says it again much louder and with more emphasis, but he still isn't really screaming.

Ah,......that's my misunderstand. :p Yeah, you'right. He didn't scream.

Quote:Now, he does scream in the previous film: "Khhhhaaaannnn!!!" Smile

Now that's exactly scream! Big Grin

Quote:As long as we're geeking out on '80s Trek, let's add:

Spock's death scene in II. Again, a nicely understated performance by both actors. And dammit, that scene gets to me still even though I know he comes back for more movies. Smile

Spock's funeral scene in II. Shatner again gives a truly impressive performance, particularly the way his voice breaks during the line, "Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most... human."

The Moby Dick references in II. There are many, with Khan as Ahab and Kirk as the white whale. "I'll chase him round the moons of Nibea (sp?) and round the Antares Maelstrom and round Perdition's flames before I give him up!" "From hell's heart, I stab at thee! For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!" Great stuff.

Stealing the Enterprise in III. "How can you have a yellow alert in spacedock?" James Horner's score is really good here. In fact, his scores for II and III are both really good pretty much all the way through.

Sulu in III. "Don't call me tiny."

Chekov in IV getting stuck on the aircraft carrier. "Scotty, now would be a good time."

All the "profanity" in IV. "No ma'am. No dipshit." "The hell I can't." And one of the all-time great lines in the history of cinema: "Double dumbass on you!" I'm forgetting plenty of others.

The Italian food argument in IV, which is probably almost impossible to transcribe completely since Shatner and Nimoy overlap each other so much. Terrific comedic performances. "I love Italian... and so do you."

Scotty trying to talk to a Mac Plus through the mouse in IV. "Helllooo, computer."

Kirk to John Larroquette as a Klingon in III: "You. Help us or die." "I do not deserve to live." "Fine. I'll kill you later."

The destruction of the Enterprise in III.

Others?

Blake


Blake! You are.......amazing!
Bluesman Mike Lindner   01-17-2005, 07:02 PM
#15
Kenji Wrote:Ah,......that's my misunderstand. :p Yeah, you'right. He didn't scream.



Now that's exactly scream! Big Grin




Blake! You are.......amazing!

I don't know if Blake is =amazing=, Kenji. I'd say he's...enterprising. :p
saglaser   01-17-2005, 10:00 PM
#16
Blake notes:
Quote:You know, Shatner is an underrated actor.
He certainly has been, although he's finally getting his props due to Boston Legal, in which he is utterly amazing.

I've always said that Shatner is an actor of extremely limited stylistic range, but within that range, he's brilliant! Just look at the way he deliverslines unlike anybody else in the world ever would. My fave example, Star Trek I (And, BTW, Jimbo is entirely right that I mistyped the number of "I's" in Search for Spock Wink ). The Enterprise is seconds away from being pulverized and Spock is taking his time getting things p-r-e-c-i-s-e-l-y right. Look at how Shatner delivers, "Spock, now!" A moment of overlooked genius.

Kenji talks about the moment his son is killed in Search for Spock. That one brings up mixed feelings in me. On one hand, part of a wonderful performance by Shatner. On the other, a key part of bad bad grade B schlock Sci-Fi writing by people who really should know better. Which takes nothing away from Shatner, of course.
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Blake   01-17-2005, 10:36 PM
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Bluesman Mike Lindner Wrote:I don't know if Blake is =amazing=, Kenji. I'd say he's...enterprising. :p

Oh, that's bad. Smile

Seriously, I'm really not a huge Trek fan, either. I like the movies, for the most part, and some of TNG, but I haven't really kept up much with the TV stuff.



saglaser Wrote:Kenji talks about the moment his son is killed in Search for Spock. That one brings up mixed feelings in me. On one hand, part of a wonderful performance by Shatner. On the other, a key part of bad bad grade B schlock Sci-Fi writing by people who really should know better. Which takes nothing away from Shatner, of course.

The writing did go downhill from II to III, but II was such a high point in the writing, particularly in terms of character development.

With that in mind, I'll add to this list Kirk's line at the end: "Young. I feel young." Beautifully delivered, and great writing, too.

I actually liked a lot of the first film, too, but I'll save that for the '70s thread. Smile

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Kenji   01-18-2005, 11:39 AM
#18
Blake Wrote:I actually liked a lot of the first film, too, but I'll save that for the '70s thread. Smile

Blake


I am Star Trek fan, but I don't like first film, Star Trek The Motion Picture. Too slow, and too long. In some of scenes, I almost fell asleep. Last scene was beautiful, but......well, Robert Wise didn't know Star Trek world. That's a big mistake. Sad
Maggers   01-23-2005, 01:30 AM
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I'm adding "Empire of the Sun" to the mix here. There are so many wonderful scenes...Jamie trapped in the crowd and ripped from his mother's hand after he ducks down to pick up his little model plane; he climbs atop a stranded rickshaw, looks out on the throng of hundreds and cries "Mummie! Mummie!" I know that sounds wimpy, but it tears my heart out.

Jamie, new to the prisoner camp, is tried, hungry, lost and alone. He turns and sees a Japanese aircraft, one of his model planes come to life! With an awed look, he walks to the plane and embraces it. He leans his little head against the plane's flank and strokes it gently, a poignant reminder of his home, his room, his lost life. The Japanese commandant sees him and when Jamie doesn't respond to his shouts to get away from the plane, he raises his rifle to shoot the boy. But from across the tarmack come 3 Japanese pilots. They stride towards Jamie and watch him paying homage to their plane. They smile. Jamie turns and sees them. He raises his hand in a proud salute. The pilots return the salute, and the commandant lowers his rifle.

Quite wonderful.
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Sam   01-24-2005, 01:23 PM
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Can't remember if this movie was mentioned - the ending scene to Eddie and the Cruisers. Haven't seen this film in many years.

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