That's the Committee (sp?) for the Scientific Claims of the Paranormal, commonly known as CSICOP. I like to think of them as PSYCOPTERS. I attended one of their meetings, as a good Fortean should. What a smug, self-satisfied crew! Golly-gee, they know just about =everything=!


Problem is, they don't. There's a lot we don't understand about the Universe yet. Apparitions, UFOs, poltergeists, miracle healings, OOPARTS...big mucho plenty.

I think God made the Universe for us to figure out. But these know-it-alls are not helping. Not for a New York minute.

Maybe wrong but for very early civilizations (pre Sumer), there were probably stories handed down of the drowning of coastal areas as the great ice sheets in the Northern Hemisphere melted.

This would have reshaped the land as sea levels increased.

This or huge tsunamis possibly explain the common flood & cataclysm "myths" amoung early cultures

I agree with Ken, men seperated from Chimps about 5 or 6 million years ago, a 6 million year old skull has been found that is very chimp like, but the place where the spine met the skull demonstrates that the hominid must have walked upright (& so part of the line that split off and evolved ultimately into us)

None of this explains FPW's cataclysm, but I just felt like joining the thread

As I understand it, the Apes (Gorilla's, Orangutans, Chimpanzees, and Humans) split off from monkeys around 40 million years ago.
Humans didn't split away from Chimpanzees until about five million years ago.

I think what he's referring to is how geneticists have traced the Homo Sapien species back to about 250,000 to 300,00 years ago using mitachondrial DNA. Not the actual split from the common ancestor, just when Homo Sapiens first appeared. You can bet those findings have pissed off more than one anthropologist.

Maybe wrong but for very early civilizations (pre Sumer), there were probably stories handed down of the drowning of coastal areas as the great ice sheets in the Northern Hemisphere melted.

Sumer was (as far as we know) the first civilization and is credited with many of the firsts that are credited with a high civilization. Ex. Math, bicameral congress, written language, schools, beer...

This or huge tsunamis possibly explain the common flood & cataclysm "myths" among early cultures

More than likely. I've read about some of the flooding that's happened in North America after some of the ice damns finaly gave way. Those stories would have definatly been passed down.

I agree with Ken, men seperated from Chimps about 5 or 6 million years ago, a 6 million year old skull has been found that is very chimp like, but the place where the spine met the skull demonstrates that the hominid must have walked upright (& so part of the line that split off and evolved ultimately into us)

Yes, but you can't (yet) draw a line from it calling it an ancestor.

None of this explains FPW's cataclysm, but I just felt like joining the thread

Me too.

I've read there's evidence the mighty Pyramids were once under water.

This old Fortean is very open to the ah-deer there were civilizations before those we know about.

The Baghdad battery, for example.

The Baghdad batteries have been dated to around 250 B.C. to 240 A.D. Bad example. Gobleki Tepe is a better example. Estimates for it are around the 9000 B.C. era. Or El Mirador in Guatemala being dated at around 6000 B.C.

Sumer was (as far as we know) the first civilization and is credited with many of the firsts that are credited with a high civilization. Ex. Math, bicameral congress, written language, schools, beer...


Me too.

For anyone interested in the rise of civilization across the globe (pre Sumer) I can heartily recomend

http://www.amazon.co.uk/After-Ice-Global...0753813920

It is a great read blending archaeological evidence with fictional accounts to bring it to life

Good evening. Just had a fun thought I would like to share.
Glaeken, Rasalom and the Lady are all around 15,000 years old, correct?

And the three of them were part of the First Age, correct?

We all agree there was a Great Cataclysm that wiped out everything from that age with the exception of some special materials.

I know none of the books have ever mentiones dinosaurs before, and we have to assume dinosaurs existed in Jack's world, but how were we able to discover dinosaur bones millions of years ago when a bunch of history was wiped out only 15,000 years ago?

Just a thought, I think my facts are mostly accurate?

Good evening.

Hello all, I've been absent from the forum for a while, and figure what better thread to post my return than something relating to The First Age (one of my favorite topics, btw). I realize the thread's a little old, but I have to ask the question: If dinosaur bones were found even after the Great Cataclysm, then why weren't there any Q'qr fossils found as well? If any one has any theories as to why this is, I'd be interested in hearing them.

Also, I'm still reading The Dark At The End, and as always, F. Paul doesn't disappoint. I had to force myself to not read it all in one sitting. I also hope that once Paul finishes with his last set of YA Jack books, that he will consider writing some books about The First Age. I know, I know; I've mentioned it before. The First Age books would be along the lines of Fantasy/Horror, and give some more enlightening details about the trevails of Glaeken, Rasalom/The Seven, The Lady, Srem, and the Q'qr race, and perhaps even the Great Cataclysm.

And speaking of Srem, I found a new song that made me think of what her life may have been like. About her possible tortured existance as a cursed Cassandra, and being manipulated by the Otherness and the Ally due to her extraordinary Gift of Seeing.

Some of my favorite lines in the song can be found in my revised signature, but I've copied the lyrics in their entirety below. Musically, the song may not be for all, but I thought it fit Srem's haunted life (from what little we know of it) fairly well. The link to the song "Book of Dreams" can be found at the very bottom of the page.

Lyrics to "Book of Dreams" (by Witchbreed):

Slide and Slick as a Serpent
Unique and Mysterious
A danger for the Mind
The Greatest Gift You'll Find

Cursed and Long Forgotten
Lost and Left to Die
Cast Aside from your Kind
A Poison in My Eyes

Silence Divides the Way
Of Fire and Flesh Empire
Father Watcher, Ancient Eye
Disciple of the Night

Of Fading Lights and Shining Darkness
We dance and Spin
This Fragile Light You Spread Away
Like Tired Wings

I Walk Alone Born of Shadows
Heart Has Turned to Stone
I Walk Alone In the Shadows
My Heart is made of Stone

A Lightning Breaks the Mist
Embraces the Future Life
With Empty Hands of Hope
The Saddest Way to Die
Slave of Tyrant Dreams
A Walker of Endless Skies
Soulless Shade of Salvation
And This Silence Never Dies

I Walk Alone
Dark Soul
I never Die
Lost Dogs
I've learned the Lie