Naaa. One lifetime is fine. I should be able to prolong this one for a while if I can learn from others ample examples!

December 21st, 2012 could cut down, substantially, on the amount to be learned.

Heh.

-Wapitikev

December 21st, 2012 could cut down, substantially, on the amount to be learned.

Heh.

-Wapitikev

I've heard a lot about that, but to me it's another Y2K.... and I learned ten fold before and after that one. Since we must get back on topic, the question begs to be asked... what if a book was accidentally delivered to my house that I hadn't ordered, am I required by law to read it before I go to jail, or do I just call 911 and get it over with?:p

I've heard a lot about that, but to me it's another Y2K.... and I learned ten fold before and after that one. Since we must get back on topic, the question begs to be asked... what if a book was accidentally delivered to my house that I hadn't ordered, am I required by law to read it before I go to jail, or do I just call 911 and get it over with?:p

Heh.

Depends on whether it was paid for or not...if some poor sap paid for it and the delivery company gave it to you instead, no "copyright" law has been broken...can't say about other laws, tho.

Once again it comes down to A or B...A) you could keep it, but B) should you?

Just because you can doesn't necessarily mean you should.

Heh.

-Wapitikev

Just because you can doesn't necessarily mean you should.

Heh.

-Wapitikev

It all comes back to this. Good night Kev.

This right here.

When an author has a book published, he/she knows that copies will be read by people who borrow them from libraries, friends, relatives, or find them abandoned in airports, laundromats...whatever. One purchased copy is all the compensation they can expect with regard to all that borrowing. That's the way it works and authors know it.

Any author who authorizes e-copies should be prepared for the "borrowing" (downloading) to increase dramatically over physical books. That's the way file sharing works.

Any author who does not authroize e-copies of work still under copyright has a legitimate complaint if his/her work turns up in electronic format somewhere.

Bones: please read Webby's post caaaaaaaarefully.

Ok.

Paragraph one is use of FPW's Intellectual property through borrowing a friend's copy or a library copy...while you have it, the other party DOES NOT .

Hmmmm....

Paragraph 3 is NOT borrowing because the original creator of the e-copy has his copy AND the person he gave an e-copy to ALSO has a permanent copy.

-Wapitikev

Wappy, read my post caaaaaarefully.....

It's not that I somehow misunderstand what you and Webby are saying, it's that I disagree with you.

My point is: THE BOOK is not FPW's Intellectual Property. THE BOOK once an individual has bought it is their Physical Property. But even once THE BOOK has been bought and is owned by a customer, FPW still owns the Intellectual Property which is the STORY he created and is contained within.

As I said before, FPW is a storyteller, not a book binder.

So if I borrow a copy from a library and read it and give it back, obviously I don't retain a copy of THE BOOK, I've given it back. But in my head I retain a copy of FPW's Intellectual Property, and becasue I now have that I no longer need to buy a copy myself to read it; FPW has lost my sale. I got FPW's Intellectual Property without paying for it.... and yet this isnt considered stealing?

It seems to be splitting the hair mighty fine, in my opinion.

But you can't have your cake and eat it too. If scanned in eCopys are verboten, then by the same principle so should copies you get from the library, buy second hand from the charity shop, borrow from a friend... and the mental contortions that your argument requires to elude this fact is what I'm challenging.

So as you point out, if you borrow it from the library then one party has it whilst the other does not. But everyone ends up with a copy of the Intellectual Property. If 100 people borrow the book from the library, sure it's the same copy, but now 100 people have their own personal copy of the Intelectual Property in their heads and don't need to buy a copy of the book from FPW. How is this any different from someone buying one copy of the book and then having 100 people download it from a torrent? There is still one copy that FPW has been compensated for, and 100 people who have read the story, one copy of the book still in circulation.

However, according to the OP the thread is specifically about FPW e-books, both legal and, perhaps, illegal. Discussing the legality of downloadable MP3s or movies just muddies the issue.

It's all Intellectual Property. Whether it's an mp3, avi or pdf the same principles apply regarding the right of the originaor of the work to be consider the owner of the work.

I don't recognise the OP as chairperson of this thread. Using the narrow parameters that he posits as the boundaries of this discussion is in my opinion daft.

When an author has a book published, he/she knows that copies will be read by people who borrow them from libraries, friends, relatives, or find them abandoned in airports, laundromats...whatever. One purchased copy is all the compensation they can expect with regard to all that borrowing. That's the way it works and authors know it.

But doesn't the author deserve to be compensated for the work he has done?

Why should they only get paid once for hundreds of people to enjoy their work?

If 100 people borrow the book from the library, sure it's the same copy, but now 100 people have their own personal copy of the Intelectual Property in their heads and don't need to buy a copy of the book from FPW. How is this any different from someone buying one copy of the book and then having 100 people download it from a torrent?

I think (and it's only a 'think' - I'm not 100% sure) that libraries have to pay an annual fee that compensates an author when their book is lent out. Obviously those that put up torrents of books won't have the same constraints.

I think (and it's only a 'think' - I'm not 100% sure) that libraries have to pay an annual fee that compensates an author when their book is lent out. Obviously those that put up torrents of books won't have the same constraints.

That might be like the licences radio stations have to buy from perfroming rights organizations to play songs on the radio. I have never heard of this before, I wonder who'd they have to pay the fee to...? :confused:

But there is a cure! AnyDVD is a handy little program that will let you re-author a DVD without all the annoying garbage (previews, anti-this, not responsible for that, etc. messages). AND, if you are using it to backup your own DVDs, it is completely legal.

Enjoy!

-Wapitikev

I am a technology moron, but i'll try, thanks!