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swandy   06-25-2009, 03:42 PM
#21
Interesting thread. I happen to like ebooks (much easier to read on a treadmill), but would not like being deprived of entitled income if I was the author/publisher.

The discussion of the various copyright laws is unfortunately of no consequence since there are many countries (like Russia and China) that don't have the same rules. And with the internet there are plenty of sites available to download books/movies/music/etc. without consequence. Some of these sites even make it appear as if the downloading is legal. (Yes perhaps in the country where the site server is located, but not everywhere.)
If you want to read some really "interesting" discussions and opinions on piracy, log on to some gaming sites. (Especially the sites set up for ROM downloading!!!)
Steve
Lysistrata   06-25-2009, 04:00 PM
#22
Wapitikev Wrote:Canadian Copyright law currently has a "life plus 50" rule for all Canadian, USA and Mexican authors (due to the NAFTA).

For all non-Canadian authors outside of the US and Mexico, the rule is "life plus 50 OR the duration in the law of their home-country, whichever is less" which is why French works are copyright free here, 25 years prior to them being that way in France.

Sorry, Lysis.

-Wapitikev

I... ha hem... read them on-line, since it is allowed. Yessir.

And who's going to check my computer anyway?

Trying to be nice
Wapitikev   06-25-2009, 04:06 PM
#23
Lysistrata Wrote:I... ha hem... read them on-line, since it is allowed. Yessir.

And who's going to check my computer anyway?
Reading them is not illegal, otherwise every library on the planet would be abolished.

As to your question, lots of people can check my computer.

However, I have found that I am the only one capable of checking my conscience.

-Wapitikev

Axioms Jack seems to live by (inadvertantly or not):

Why he does what he does: "I chose this life. I know what I'm doing. And on any given day, I could stop doing it. Today, however, isn't that day. And tomorrow won't be either." Bruce Wayne, Identity Crisis

On Rasalom: "Water's wet, the sky is blue...and good old Satan Claus, Jimmy...he's out there...and he's just gettin' stronger." Joe Hallenbeck, The Last Boyscout
Lysistrata   06-25-2009, 04:10 PM
#24
My conscience says that between spending a few seconds downloading out of print (and one never printed) books and spending months scouring every second-hand book shop with no garanty of result, I did the right choice...

Trying to be nice
Wapitikev   06-25-2009, 04:13 PM
#25
Lysistrata Wrote:My conscience says that between spending a few seconds downloading out of print (and one never printed) books and spending months scouring every second-hand book shop with no garanty of result, I did the right choice...
As much as possible, I try not confuse my problem-solving skills with my conscience.

-Wapitikev
This post was last modified: 06-25-2009, 04:18 PM by Wapitikev.

Axioms Jack seems to live by (inadvertantly or not):

Why he does what he does: "I chose this life. I know what I'm doing. And on any given day, I could stop doing it. Today, however, isn't that day. And tomorrow won't be either." Bruce Wayne, Identity Crisis

On Rasalom: "Water's wet, the sky is blue...and good old Satan Claus, Jimmy...he's out there...and he's just gettin' stronger." Joe Hallenbeck, The Last Boyscout
bones weep tedium   06-30-2009, 05:05 AM
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Wapitikev Wrote:Any self-respecting fan, of which the members of this board should all be, would not steal the sweat off FPW's back by pirating his work. If you deserve to be paid for your work, then so does FPW.

What if you buy a copy from eBay? Does that you should can no longer call yourself a fan of FPW and maintain any self-respect?

:confused:


I accidentally dropped a load of worthless change in the street. I was going to just leave it there but a burly policeman lumbered towards me and said, "You'd better pick that up, son."

I hate coppers.

[Image: smile-test.gif]"DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH.
LIBERTY IS A WELL-ARMED LAMB CONTESTING THE VOTE."
Wapitikev   06-30-2009, 09:17 AM
#27
bones weep tedium Wrote:What if you buy a copy from eBay? Does that you should can no longer call yourself a fan of FPW and maintain any self-respect?

:confused:

Hi, Bones!

Good to hear from you again. It seems like ages.

My post, from which you drew your quote, makes plain that buying a used copy (on e-bay or from a used bookstore) is a perfectly copyright-legal method of gaining FPWs hard work. I even recommend used paperbacks as a possible "backup" method.

At some point, FPW was paid for the physical copy.

My statement was specifically about e-copies of FPW's work that were not sold by FPW (or an agent thereof) as an e-copy.

I also discussed e-backups of a physical edition...an e-copy that differs from the the physical edition that a person owns is not a "copy" of their edition...it is a copy of another edition...one they do not own.

Until FPW says that he condones uncompensated e-copies of his work, fans should respect his wish that people pay for a copy of it (new or used) before owning an uncompensated e-copy.

Ultimately, your own self respect is your own affair. Smile

-Wapitikev

Axioms Jack seems to live by (inadvertantly or not):

Why he does what he does: "I chose this life. I know what I'm doing. And on any given day, I could stop doing it. Today, however, isn't that day. And tomorrow won't be either." Bruce Wayne, Identity Crisis

On Rasalom: "Water's wet, the sky is blue...and good old Satan Claus, Jimmy...he's out there...and he's just gettin' stronger." Joe Hallenbeck, The Last Boyscout
fpw   06-30-2009, 12:02 PM
#28
A used copy is an item licensed to a publisher for sale; as an object it is someone's property which he may dispose of in any way he wishes.

An unlicensed e-copy is different. Someone is setting himself up as my publisher and distributing copies
of my work without my permission and without compensation.

FPW
FAQ
"It means 'Ask the next question.' Ask the next question, and the one that follows that, and the one that follows that. It's the symbol of everything humanity has ever created." Theodore Sturgeon.
Ken Valentine   06-30-2009, 07:02 PM
#29
fpw Wrote:without my permission and without compensation.

In a word . . . theft.

Ken V.
bones weep tedium   07-01-2009, 05:21 AM
#30
fpw Wrote:A used copy is an item licensed to a publisher for sale; as an object it is someone's property which he may dispose of in any way he wishes.

An unlicensed e-copy is different. Someone is setting himself up as my publisher and distributing copies of my work without my permission and without compensation.

So a second hand book is sold as a book shaped artifact, which is not stealing the inteelectual sweat from your brow?


I accidentally dropped a load of worthless change in the street. I was going to just leave it there but a burly policeman lumbered towards me and said, "You'd better pick that up, son."

I hate coppers.

[Image: smile-test.gif]"DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH.
LIBERTY IS A WELL-ARMED LAMB CONTESTING THE VOTE."
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