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Ken Valentine   11-10-2007, 12:38 PM
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Kenji Wrote:Today was the opening day in Japan, so I saw it today.

I have to say aloud....


[SIZE="5"]PERFECT ENDING!!![/SIZE]


Excellent action film. Actually, I've never read Robert Ludlum's works. Any suggestions? Should I read novels of Jason Bourne?

I don't know about the other two, (THE BOURNE SUPREMACY, and THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM) but I rented the remake of THE BOURNE IDENTITY, and after seeing the original mini-series starring Richard Chamberlain, I wanted not only my money back, I wanted the time back as well. THE MATT DAMON VERSION STUNK!

The remake was nothing like the book, which was excellent. So, I'd recommend you at least read THE BOURNE IDENTITY. SUPREMACY AND ULTIMATUM novels are good, but not nearly as good as IDENTITY.

Ken V.
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Scott Miller   11-10-2007, 01:27 PM
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Kenji Wrote:Excellent action film. Actually, I've never read Robert Ludlum's works. Any suggestions? Should I read novels of Jason Bourne?

Ludlum was one of the first writers I followed; The Bourne Identity is the last book of his I read. My personal favorites are The Matarese Circle and The Gemini Contenders. I also liked The Holcroft Covenant, The Matlock Paper, The Bourne Identity and The Rhinemann Exchange. It was around this time that I discovered David Morrell and between the two of them, I espinaged myself out.

Scott

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Auskar   11-10-2007, 07:13 PM
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Scott Miller Wrote:Ludlum was one of the first writers I followed; The Bourne Identity is the last book of his I read. My personal favorites are The Matarese Circle and The Gemini Contenders. I also liked The Holcroft Covenant, The Matlock Paper, The Bourne Identity and The Rhinemann Exchange. It was around this time that I discovered David Morrell and between the two of them, I espinaged myself out.
Pretty much the same with me. My first spy novel was The Spy Who Came in From the Cold, and later I discovered The Bourne Identity and I read lots of espionage/thriller type stuff. The Brotherhood of the Rose and The Fraternity of the Stone were two Morrell books I liked. I rarely, if ever, read a spy novel now.
Kenji   11-10-2007, 08:17 PM
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Ken Valentine Wrote:I don't know about the other two, (THE BOURNE SUPREMACY, and THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM) but I rented the remake of THE BOURNE IDENTITY, and after seeing the original mini-series starring Richard Chamberlain, I wanted not only my money back, I wanted the time back as well. THE MATT DAMON VERSION STUNK!

LOL.

I saw Richard Chamberlain's original,too. But it was a long time ago(not so?), so I don't remember the details. I'll see the original again.


Ken Valentine Wrote:The remake was nothing like the book, which was excellent. So, I'd recommend you at least read THE BOURNE IDENTITY. SUPREMACY AND ULTIMATUM novels are good, but not nearly as good as IDENTITY.

Ken V.

Thanks for recommendation, Ken. I'll check them out.
Kenji   11-10-2007, 08:19 PM
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Scott Miller Wrote:Ludlum was one of the first writers I followed; The Bourne Identity is the last book of his I read. My personal favorites are The Matarese Circle and The Gemini Contenders. I also liked The Holcroft Covenant, The Matlock Paper, The Bourne Identity and The Rhinemann Exchange. It was around this time that I discovered David Morrell and between the two of them, I espinaged myself out.


Thanks. I'll check "The Bourne Identity" first.
Kenji   11-10-2007, 08:21 PM
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Auskar Wrote:Pretty much the same with me. My first spy novel was The Spy Who Came in From the Cold, and later I discovered The Bourne Identity and I read lots of espionage/thriller type stuff. The Brotherhood of the Rose and The Fraternity of the Stone were two Morrell books I liked. I rarely, if ever, read a spy novel now.



I tried John le Carré's "The Spy Who Came in From the Cold", but I gave up...Sad
Auskar   11-10-2007, 09:23 PM
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Kenji Wrote:I tried John le Carré's "The Spy Who Came in From the Cold", but I gave up...Sad
Well, it was written in the sixties when "The Iron Curtain" was a big deal, it starts real slow because you don't realize exactly what is going on, but it has a very powerful ending. Of course, I read it while skipping geometry class in the tenth grade, and have only read it once since then, but I still remember it well. Publisher's Weekly ranks it as the best spy novel of all time.

They rank The Bourne Identity as number two.

And whoever thought the 1988 Richard Chamberlain and Jaclyn Smith version of The Bourne Identity was great, I have to disagree. Sure, they could be more loyal to the novel -- because it was a television mini-series and they had about six hours to tell the story. But I think it stunk. I really like the Matt Damon version. Sure, they made some changes but the novel was 25 years old by the time they made this movie.
Ken Valentine   11-10-2007, 09:49 PM
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Auskar Wrote:And whoever thought the 1988 Richard Chamberlain and Jaclyn Smith version of The Bourne Identity was great, I have to disagree. Sure, they could be more loyal to the novel -- because it was a television mini-series and they had about six hours to tell the story. But I think it stunk. I really like the Matt Damon version. Sure, they made some changes but the novel was 25 years old by the time they made this movie.

If they're going to change the story, why not change the title as well?

I know, it's because hollyweird was trying to capitalize on a well known title.

And what has the story being 25 years old have to do with anything? The Last Of The Mohicans was over 100 years old when Michael Mann made the movie. Should Hawkeye be carrying an M-16 instead of a flintlock?

Should the Lafayette Escadrille have been flying F-14's instead of Nieuports?

The Bourne Identity was written in 1980, why not leave where it was?

Ken V.
law dawg   11-10-2007, 10:54 PM
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Ken Valentine Wrote:If they're going to change the story, why not change the title as well?

I know, it's because hollyweird was trying to capitalize on a well known title.

And what has the story being 25 years old have to do with anything? The Last Of The Mohicans was over 100 years old when Michael Mann made the movie. Should Hawkeye be carrying an M-16 instead of a flintlock?

Should the Lafayette Escadrille have been flying F-14's instead of Nieuports?

The Bourne Identity was written in 1980, why not leave where it was?

Ken V.
While I totally understand your point Ken, I have to ask, will you object if and when The Man updates Nightworld or should he leave it in the 1980s too?

It's an 88 magnum. It shoots through schools.
Ken Valentine   11-10-2007, 11:04 PM
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law dawg Wrote:While I totally understand your point Ken, I have to ask, will you object if and when The Man updates Nightworld or should he leave it in the 1980s too?

It's his own work, he can do anything he pleases with it. But to take someone else's work and change it, twist it, modify it, is something else entirely. That's what Michael Mann did with THE KEEP, and you know what a mess that turned out to be.

Ken V.
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