jimbow8 Wrote:I totally agree with that. I guess the way that I am questioning it is this: At what point is omitting others' views lying and at what point is it just arguing your side of the debate/discussion.
And I agree. I totally HATE this argument.
My current favorite is regarding the Iraq prison (Abu Ghraib) scandals:
Me: "The abuses that took place are wrong (immoral)."
Them: "Saddam Hussein tortured people much worse: gas, rape, mutilation, etc."
As if that validates the torture in the Abu Ghraib prison and makes it OK!!!!
I see what you are saying but the way he does it wouldn't hold up anywhere. He says what the media and what the libs want him to say, so it goes free. Thats what upsets me is that he gets away with this and you compare our government to a computer salesman.
From the movie..."NARRATOR: Or was the war in Afghanistan really about something else? Perhaps the answer was in Houston, Texas. In 1997 while George W. Bush was Governor of Texas, a delegation of Taliban leaders from Afghanistan flew to Houston to meet with Unocal executives to discuss the building of a pipeline through Afghanistan bringing natural gas from the Caspian Sea. And who got a Caspian Sea drilling contract the same day Unocal signed the pipeline deal? A company headed by a man named Dick Cheney: Halliburton."
Now, wouldn't you think that from this, Bush was at the meeting and maybe asked for the meeting. He was a major part of this gathering. Well, in reality he had nothing to do with it besides being the governor of the state they were in. Unocal wanted the meeting and the got Okayed by Clinton's State Department. So, Bush had nothing to do with this. I'm not putting any blame on Clinton because I don't care that they had a meeting, but I am instead pointing out the truth that Moore fails to do.
Yes, it is a minipulation, but I would say that his minipulation is very different from not telling us what Dell has to offer. He is pointing fingers. He is telling us that Dell is a pill of dung and is a horrible computer. That is actually illegal.
BTW, Unocal has no intentions of building a pipeline through Afghanistan. Here is a link saying so.
http://www.unocal.com/uclnews/98news/centgas.htm
The torture issue is a tough one. I think that it is part of war. The guy who was in the news a while back talking about how we had those laws so that our soldiers don't get hurt when they are captured is a little lacking in the head. Like the terrorist follow the laws put in place by the Geneva convention. Besides that, we use torture to get information. Now don't get me wrong, we don't go and cut of limbs and stuff like that, we use mental torture. Embarass a few radical Islamists and get some good information. When our nations security is at risk, you would rather these terrorist be treated fairly? That being said, I think torture is validated.