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The Mad American   10-06-2005, 10:49 AM
#41
jimbow8 Wrote:That's an interesting way to put it. I have always believed something similar: that God exist in a "dimension" outside of time. It isn't linear. To God all of time exists at once. It isn't that God can see into the future but that all things exist now (to Him) and He can see it all. I understand it but have always had a hard time verbalizing and explaining it.

I didn't know that was an Orthodox thing (or is it just yours). Do you have any more info on it?

Thanx, Jim


Interesting line of thought. I have always wondered how time would be thought of if we didn't have the effects of entropy on us and all things phsyical. If things never aged, or got old and worn out would we measure time in any way resembling the way we do now? Ouch, now you've gone and made me give myself a headache. Smile

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jimbow8   10-06-2005, 11:11 AM
#42
The Mad American Wrote:Interesting line of thought. I have always wondered how time would be thought of if we didn't have the effects of entropy on us and all things phsyical. If things never aged, or got old and worn out would we measure time in any way resembling the way we do now? Ouch, now you've gone and made me give myself a headache. Smile
Try to think of it similar to a three dimensional object trying to fit into a two dimensional plane.

Oww! You're right, that hurts!

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The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. ... The piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
~ Howard Phillips Lovecraft
Maggers   10-06-2005, 11:47 AM
#43
The Mad American Wrote:Interesting line of thought. I have always wondered how time would be thought of if we didn't have the effects of entropy on us and all things phsyical. If things never aged, or got old and worn out would we measure time in any way resembling the way we do now? Ouch, now you've gone and made me give myself a headache. Smile

Doesn't the wearing out and aging of all things on this planet have a great deal to do with gravity and its ongoing, deleterious effects? Personally, I sure feel that way!

Reading is freedom.
The mind soars, no earthly cares,
no limitations.
A Maggers Haiku, 2005


Years ago my mother used to say to me... "In this world, Elwood, you can be oh so smart or oh so pleasant."
Well, for years I was smart.
I recommend pleasant.
You may quote me.

Elwood P. Dowd

t4terrific   10-06-2005, 02:36 PM
#44
Maggers Wrote:Doesn't the wearing out and aging of all things on this planet have a great deal to do with gravity and its ongoing, deleterious effects? Personally, I sure feel that way!

So, when Oprah loses weight, she ages and deteriorates more slowly? :p
saynomore   10-06-2005, 03:14 PM
#45
jimbow8 Wrote:I think that SciFi has to adhere to the rules of science, and if it doesn't there needs to be a logical reason for it. I give it some leeway, but that line is dynamic depending on the quality of the story.

I've written before on this board about the rules of sf. It goes something like this: If you place your story in an all water planet, then its inhabitants would have to follow the rules of living under water; and if said inhabitants decide to space travel, then their space-ship would have to be made of underwater materials. Same for a planet of forests--the space-ship would have to be made of some type of compressed wood. You can't cheat the reader by saying there is metal on these planets, unless it conforms to the rules of physics (it would have to be a non-corrosive metal--remember metal rusts under water). In which case, this non-corrosive metal would now have to react a certain way when exposed to air; again, how it would react would still have to follow the rules.

Now in Nightworld the rules must be as follows:

1. Earth is the only planet with sentient beings and the Otherness must eliminate them in order to be the only being in the universe; this explanation, too, has its ups and downs. For instance, doesn't the Otherness feed on Mankind's misery? If it eliminates Man, isn't it eliminating its food source. Is the Otherness committing suicide?

2. All sentient beings on other planets have already been devoured by the Otherness, and only Earth remains to be devoured. Nightworld is the fight between the last two beings left in the universe, good and evil.

AC

P.S. Is it just me or did I say something deep?
jimbow8   10-06-2005, 04:37 PM
#46
saynomore Wrote:I've written before on this board about the rules of sf. It goes something like this: If you place your story in an all water planet, then its inhabitants would have to follow the rules of living under water; and if said inhabitants decide to space travel, then their space-ship would have to be made of underwater materials. Same for a planet of forests--the space-ship would have to be made of some type of compressed wood. You can't cheat the reader by saying there is metal on these planets, unless it conforms to the rules of physics (it would have to be a non-corrosive metal--remember metal rusts under water). In which case, this non-corrosive metal would now have to react a certain way when exposed to air; again, how it would react would still have to follow the rules.

Now in Nightworld the rules must be as follows:

1. Earth is the only planet with sentient beings and the Otherness must eliminate them in order to be the only being in the universe; this explanation, too, has its ups and downs. For instance, doesn't the Otherness feed on Mankind's misery? If it eliminates Man, isn't it eliminating its food source. Is the Otherness committing suicide?

2. All sentient beings on other planets have already been devoured by the Otherness, and only Earth remains to be devoured. Nightworld is the fight between the last two beings left in the universe, good and evil.

AC

P.S. Is it just me or did I say something deep?
I'm not sure that Earth is the only planet of concern to the Otherness nor does it want to eliminate mankind.

Somewhere it is mentioned that Earth is but a small piece of the pie, and I got the impression that the Otherness wanted mankind in a perpetual state of fear. Killing some/many (but not all) people is a great way to do that.

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. ... The piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
~ Howard Phillips Lovecraft
Maggers   10-06-2005, 05:35 PM
#47
t4terrific Wrote:So, when Oprah loses weight, she ages and deteriorates more slowly? :p

Actually, yes. Less wear and tear on the joints and feet and heart, all of which are carrying less weight (at least for those 2 weeks). :p

Reading is freedom.
The mind soars, no earthly cares,
no limitations.
A Maggers Haiku, 2005


Years ago my mother used to say to me... "In this world, Elwood, you can be oh so smart or oh so pleasant."
Well, for years I was smart.
I recommend pleasant.
You may quote me.

Elwood P. Dowd

t4terrific   10-06-2005, 05:46 PM
#48
Maggers Wrote:Actually, yes. Less wear and tear on the joints and feet and heart, all of which are carrying less weight (at least for those 2 weeks). :p

Well, she likes to get the best of both worlds. Who can blame her? It's great to look good, but it's great to eat anything you want too. I've been dieting hard for about 6 months to get in premium condition for competition. I used to have a "cheat day", where I'd eat anything I want on Saturdays. Now, I've reduced it to a "cheat hour"!! You wouldn't believe how much I look forward to that one opportunity a week to gorge myself with all the food I usually abstain from. I guess Opah has "cheat years". It's all good though. She knows how to make the dollars.
KRW   10-06-2005, 06:51 PM
#49
jimbow8 Wrote:I'm not sure that Earth is the only planet of concern to the Otherness nor does it want to eliminate mankind.

Somewhere it is mentioned that Earth is but a small piece of the pie, and I got the impression that the Otherness wanted mankind in a perpetual state of fear. Killing some/many (but not all) people is a great way to do that.

Insignifacant, tiny, little ole Earth doesn't even seem worthy of the Advisery or the Allie's attention unless it's needed. But, they'll give it attention when needed, because it's all or nothing in their cosmic game!


KRW
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