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RichE   11-25-2007, 09:38 AM
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jimbow8 Wrote:You've got to be kidding me! Take this with a grain of salt because I haven't seen the movie yet, but that sure sounds like nationalistic paranoia. But I'm not sure because your question is rather vague and un-grammatical.
Well... I have seen the film a few times with others who pretty much felt the same way I did. In fact, I understand one of the big names behind the movie (and I'm trying to find out who) actually came out during a ralley in London calling the United States one of the most dangerous countries today that pushes cowboy imperialism on third world countries.
bones weep tedium   11-25-2007, 05:23 PM
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RichE Wrote:Well... I have seen the film a few times with others who pretty much felt the same way I did. In fact, I understand one of the big names behind the movie (and I'm trying to find out who) actually came out during a ralley in London calling the United States one of the most dangerous countries today that pushes cowboy imperialism on third world countries.

But do you think any of that comes across in the film?


I accidentally dropped a load of worthless change in the street. I was going to just leave it there but a burly policeman lumbered towards me and said, "You'd better pick that up, son."

I hate coppers.

[Image: smile-test.gif]"DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH.
LIBERTY IS A WELL-ARMED LAMB CONTESTING THE VOTE."
Bluesman Mike Lindner   11-25-2007, 08:17 PM
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bones weep tedium Wrote:Just watched this movie, thought it was awful. Really regret wasting £3.50 of my hard earned cash on it.

I didn't detect any particular anti-US feelings in this movie --- the sniper and the doctor-ette both died to save the kids, and the commander fella who made the decision to make everybody still moving a target for extermination was shown to be introspective and reluctant to do it. He wasnt the usual 'yee-haw!' good ol'boy that you'd expect in an anti-US movie.

I think instead that there is an anti-military vibe to this film, and the dehumanizing effect that chain of command has on people. It just so happened that the army guys were all american.

Funny how it "just so happened..."Rolleyes
jimbow8   11-25-2007, 08:23 PM
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Bluesman Mike Lindner Wrote:Funny how it "just so happened..."Rolleyes
Are you unfamiliar with this plot device? In many (most?) zombie movies the epidemic is the result of government incompetence or coverup of some sort.

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. ... The piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
~ Howard Phillips Lovecraft
Bluesman Mike Lindner   11-25-2007, 08:28 PM
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jimbow8 Wrote:Are you unfamiliar with this plot device? In many (most?) zombie movies the epidemic is the result of government incompetence or coverup of some sort.

My point was, it was funny how they just happened to be American. But it's great to see you back, Jim. Even though you seem to be as deeply in thrall to Questionable Powers as ever.:p
jimbow8   11-25-2007, 08:41 PM
#16
Bluesman Mike Lindner Wrote:My point was, it was funny how they just happened to be American. But it's great to see you back, Jim. Even though you seem to be as deeply in thrall to Questionable Powers as ever.:p
Funny how the bad guys in Raiders "just so happened" to be Nazis ... and a Frenchman. Funny how the bad guys in The Siege "just so happened" to be Muslims. How the bad guy in The Tomb "just so happened" to be Indian or how the bad guy in Gateways "just so happened" to be a black woman. Would you have been complaining if the soldiers had "just so happened" to be French soldiers?

The point being you can find an example of any type of "bias" you want if you look for it.

This is a mountain being made of a molehill.
This post was last modified: 11-25-2007, 08:46 PM by jimbow8.

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. ... The piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
~ Howard Phillips Lovecraft
Bluesman Mike Lindner   11-25-2007, 09:06 PM
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jimbow8 Wrote:Funny how the bad guys in Raiders "just so happened" to be Nazis ... and a Frenchman. Funny how the bad guys in The Siege "just so happened" to be Muslims. How the bad guy in The Tomb "just so happened" to be Indian or how the bad guy in Gateways "just so happened" to be a black woman. Would you have been complaining if the soldiers had "just so happened" to be French soldiers?

The point being you can find an example of any type of "bias" you want if you look for it.

This is a mountain being made of a molehill.

=That= I can agree with!
bones weep tedium   11-25-2007, 09:13 PM
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Bluesman Mike Lindner Wrote:My point was, it was funny how they just happened to be American.

Still, I think it's a bit far fetched to say that the film is anti-American, when most of the Americans in it are really sympathetic characters.

In the first one, the Britishe soldiers at the end were horrid characters, yet no one ever accuses it of being an Anti-British movie Wink


I accidentally dropped a load of worthless change in the street. I was going to just leave it there but a burly policeman lumbered towards me and said, "You'd better pick that up, son."

I hate coppers.

[Image: smile-test.gif]"DEMOCRACY IS TWO WOLVES AND A LAMB VOTING ON WHAT TO HAVE FOR LUNCH.
LIBERTY IS A WELL-ARMED LAMB CONTESTING THE VOTE."
Bluesman Mike Lindner   11-25-2007, 09:16 PM
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bones weep tedium Wrote:Still, I think it's a bit far fetched to say that the film is anti-American, when most of the Americans in it are really sympathetic characters.

In the first one, the Britishe soldiers at the end were horrid characters, yet no one ever accuses it of being an Anti-British movie Wink

Have the filmmakers spoken about this question?
jimbow8   11-25-2007, 09:22 PM
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Bluesman Mike Lindner Wrote:Have the filmmakers spoken about this question?
Does that make a difference? Why even ask them that question?

Someone mentioned earlier in thread that someone involved with making the movie made some comment or other, but it was all quite vague .... and inconsequential, imo, for stated reasons.

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. ... The piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.
~ Howard Phillips Lovecraft
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