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Question for the Gunnies: Backup - fpw - 04-12-2004
I've started writing the next Jack (working title: INFERNAL) and came into a situation (not in the outline) where Jack has to ditch his AMT .380 backup.
Any suggestions for a replacement? (Remember, it's got to fit in an ankle holster.)
Question for the Gunnies: Backup - Sam - 04-12-2004
Came across a site listing a couple of guns that may fit your taste. If you want to read about them here is the addy... http://www30.brinkster.com/daver120/handguns.htm
One is the Glock model 26. It's a 9mm and holds 11 in the clip or a pre-ban clip of 13. Uses 9x19 Luger ammo
The other, and maybe the more fitting to the old Semmerling, is another Glock, model 36. It's a full power .45 cal. with 7 round clip of ACP ammo. Mainly used as a waistband carry but can work with ankle holster as well.
I'm not a gunnie but just thought I'd try to help. Hope these may be of inspiration.
Sam
Question for the Gunnies: Backup - Biggles - 04-12-2004
fpw Wrote:I've started writing the next Jack (working title: INFERNAL) and came into a situation (not in the outline) where Jack has to ditch his AMT .380 backup.
Any suggestions for a replacement? (Remember, it's got to fit in an ankle holster.)
Paul,
I know Ken and I will disagree on this one, because he favors .45 ACP over 9mm, but I see a couple good choices. One is the KelTec P-11, a light, small 9mm that holds 10+1 rounds and can accommodate hi-cap mags. It's designed to take the S&W 659, etc. mags. It's DAO, but I have one and the trigger weight is light for DAO, about 9 lbs. It also has a nice optional feature: a metal spring clip that attaches to the right side of the frame that allows you to carry IWB without a holster, which I have done many times. It also fits into an ankle holster. The P11 may be the most "size efficient" pistol made. With a locked breach, you can fire hot CorBon loads and dispense with having to use frangibles to increase wound ballistics as you do know with a .380.
I think the smallest Glock 9mm is still a bit larger than the P11, but it would have the advantage of accepting mags from his G19. It might be a bit chunkier and more noticeable in an ankle holster.
If you want to stick with an even smaller gun (and calibre) than 9mm, the KelTec P-3AT is a .380 like the AMT, but much smaller, lighter, and with a lighter trigger.
I will either attach info about the KelTecs (if I figure out how) or send it via email to you.
Question for the Gunnies: Backup - Biggles - 04-12-2004
Biggles Wrote:Paul,
I know Ken and I will disagree on this one, because he favors .45 ACP over 9mm, but I see a couple good choices. One is the KelTec P-11, a light, small 9mm that holds 10+1 rounds and can accommodate hi-cap mags. It's designed to take the S&W 659, etc. mags. It's DAO, but I have one and the trigger weight is light for DAO, about 9 lbs. It also has a nice optional feature: a metal spring clip that attaches to the right side of the frame that allows you to carry IWB without a holster, which I have done many times. It also fits into an ankle holster. The P11 may be the most "size efficient" pistol made. With a locked breach, you can fire hot CorBon loads and dispense with having to use frangibles to increase wound ballistics as you do know with a .380.
I think the smallest Glock 9mm is still a bit larger than the P11, but it would have the advantage of accepting mags from his G19. It might be a bit chunkier and more noticeable in an ankle holster.
If you want to stick with an even smaller gun (and calibre) than 9mm, the KelTec P-3AT is a .380 like the AMT, but much smaller, lighter, and with a lighter trigger.
I will either attach info about the KelTecs (if I figure out how) or send it via email to you.
Follow-up:
I checked the info at the link previously posted for the Glock 26 and compared it for the KelTec P11:
P11:
5.6"L x 4.3"H x 1" W; 14 oz. weight empty; 9 lbs. trigger weight
G26:
6.29"L x 4.17"H x 1.18"W; 19.75 oz. empty; 5.5 lbs. trigger weight
I think the P11 has the advantage in dimensions and weight (as well as aforementioned carry option in waistband). The Glock has the advantage in having the same action as the Glock 19 Jack carries as primary weapon and ability to use G19 mags as spares.
Question for the Gunnies: Backup - Ken Valentine - 04-13-2004
Biggles Wrote:Paul,
I know Ken and I will disagree on this one, because he favors .45 ACP over 9mm, but I see a couple good choices.
Not exactly Biggles. For a "main" gun, yes I prefer a .45 ACP. But for a back-up I'll go as far down as a .380 ACP. Although I'd prefer either a 9mm or .38 special. My choice in ammo for the .380 and 9mm would be Eldorado Starfire. In .38 Spl., Winchester Silvertip +P.
Quote:One is the KelTec P-11, a light, small 9mm that holds 10+1 rounds and can accommodate hi-cap mags. It's designed to take the S&W 659, etc. mags. It's DAO, but I have one and the trigger weight is light for DAO, about 9 lbs. It also has a nice optional feature: a metal spring clip that attaches to the right side of the frame that allows you to carry IWB without a holster, which I have done many times. It also fits into an ankle holster. The P11 may be the most "size efficient" pistol made. With a locked breach, you can fire hot CorBon loads and dispense with having to use frangibles to increase wound ballistics as you do know with a .380.
The Kel-Tec P-40 also sounds intriguing. It's similar to the P-11 but is chambered for the .40 S&W. Capacity is 9+1. It weighs about two ounces more than the P-11 (16 vs. 14 oz.'s.) For only 25-dollars more, why not?
(The .40 S&W ammo itself is heavier though . . . but not much.)
Nice that the P-11 can accommodate the S&W 59 Series Magazine's, although they would stick out below the butt of the grip by more than 1-1/2 inches . . . the over-all length if the 59's mag is nearly five inches. Not something you would want in an ankle holster, as it is both visible and snagable. If the trigger is really nine pounds, then that is excellent! My Walthers have a double action first shot of about ten pounds . . . although it is silky smooth. And the rest of the shots are a very smooth 5 pounds.
Quote:If you want to stick with an even smaller gun (and calibre) than 9mm, the KelTec P-3AT is a .380 like the AMT, but much smaller, lighter, and with a lighter trigger.
Yes, the AMT back-up has a truly horrible trigger. The one's I worked on felt like you were dragging a stick through gravel. Which for me is equivalent to fingernails on a blackboard.
I normally wouldn't recommend a gun that I either don't already own, or haven't worked on. But the Kel-Tec does sound interesting.
Good choice Biggles.
Ken V.
Question for the Gunnies: Backup - Tim Hatch - 04-13-2004
You guys scare me.
Question for the Gunnies: Backup - Biggles - 04-13-2004
Tim Hatch Wrote:You guys scare me.
That's what you say now, but if we were sitting having coffee in a cyber cafe and several heavily armed space aliens walked in with blasters determined to abduct Muffy (your poodle) and make her their queen, whom would you rather have there to defend you, Janet Reno or Ken and me (although Janet could probably nail a couple with her purse before you were tractor-beamed up to the mother ship).
...On second thought, sometimes I scare myself, but for entirely different reasons.
Question for the Gunnies: Backup - Tim Hatch - 04-14-2004
Biggles Wrote:That's what you say now, but if we were sitting having coffee in a cyber cafe and several heavily armed space aliens walked in with blasters determined to abduct Muffy (your poodle) and make her their queen, whom would you rather have there to defend you, Janet Reno or Ken and me (although Janet could probably nail a couple with her purse before you were tractor-beamed up to the mother ship).
...On second thought, sometimes I scare myself, but for entirely different reasons.
I'd definitely take you guys over Reno. But if the aliens showed, it must be to take Janet back to her home planet.
How did you know about the poodle???
Question for the Gunnies: Backup - Ken Valentine - 04-14-2004
Biggles Wrote:That's what you say now, but if we were sitting having coffee in a cyber cafe and several heavily armed space aliens walked in with blasters determined to abduct Muffy (your poodle) and make her their queen, whom would you rather have there to defend you, Janet Reno or Ken and me (although Janet could probably nail a couple with her purse before you were tractor-beamed up to the mother ship).
...On second thought, sometimes I scare myself, but for entirely different reasons.
Personally, I'd rather have Janet Reno at my side. One glance at "her," would send them screaming off into the nether regions of the galaxy -- come to think of it, one glance at "her" and I'd probably join them.
Ken V.
Question for the Gunnies: Backup - fpw - 04-14-2004
Sounds like a 9mm Kel-Tec P-11 is the way to go. The Eldorado Starfires sound like a good round.
Thanks, guys