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The Grand Adversary Cycle Wikipedia Project - bones weep tedium - 04-23-2008
I was just looking through the information on FPW's Adversary Cycle and Repairman Jack and was thinking how woefully brief it was.
The Adversary Cycle
The Keep
The Tomb
The Touch
Reborn
Reprisal
Nightworld
Apart from The Keep and Nightworld, they're all barely a paragraph long. I was thinking about doing something about it, but I have never written a wikipedia article before so wouldnt reallly know where to start, and also I have only ever read the Adversary cycle the once and that was a few years ago now --- I really doubt I know enough on my own to do the job justice.
So I was thinking, where would I find a whole bunch of people who know everything there is to know about RJ and the Adversary Cycle . . .
It would be a massive undertaking to write up full articles for all 6 books on your own, but if we do it in a similar way to The Story So Far or the Movie Game or something - - - each of us contributing one paragraph or so to this forum every time we're online, and then when the piece is ready one of us trot over to wikipedia and upload the text.
It would be fun.
I suggest that for each book in the AC we would need the following catoegories:
Introduction
Plot Outline
Interconnections
We would write and edit the entries in this forum collaboratively and then upload the finshed douchberries to wikipedia where they will be of great use to anyone wanting to find out more about FPW or the AC on the internet's biggest free encyclopedia.
The Grand Adversary Cycle Wikipedia Project - Miskatonic & Gin - 04-23-2008
I'm down for helping but this will be a massive, massive undertaking that should be done in phases. You can't just do AC. The Jack books would have to be included. Just think about "Legacies" alone: References would have to be made to "SIBS", The Kaze group, Nikola Tesla, Conspiracies, etc, etc. "Reprisal" will probably reference every book FPW has written....
Doable. And FUN! But baby steps....
The Grand Adversary Cycle Wikipedia Project - jimbow8 - 04-25-2008
bones weep tedium Wrote:I was just looking through the information on FPW's Adversary Cycle and Repairman Jack and was thinking how woefully brief it was.
The Adversary Cycle
The Keep
The Tomb
The Touch
Reborn
Reprisal
Nightworld
Apart from The Keep and Nightworld, they're all barely a paragraph long. I was thinking about doing something about it, but I have never written a wikipedia article before so wouldnt reallly know where to start, and also I have only ever read the Adversary cycle the once and that was a few years ago now --- I really doubt I know enough on my own to do the job justice.
So I was thinking, where would I find a whole bunch of people who know everything there is to know about RJ and the Adversary Cycle . . .
It would be a massive undertaking to write up full articles for all 6 books on your own, but if we do it in a similar way to The Story So Far or the Movie Game or something - - - each of us contributing one paragraph or so to this forum every time we're online, and then when the piece is ready one of us trot over to wikipedia and upload the text.
It would be fun.
I suggest that for each book in the AC we would need the following catoegories:
Introduction
Plot Outline
Interconnections
We would write and edit the entries in this forum collaboratively and then upload the finshed douchberries to wikipedia where they will be of great use to anyone wanting to find out more about FPW or the AC on the internet's biggest free encyclopedia.
I have lists of people, places, and things, etc for the first several RJ books already. Fairly extensive.
An even better idea would be to start a comprehensive wiki dedicated solely to FPW and the AC/RJC. That requires more effort, though, and even dedicated server space.
The Grand Adversary Cycle Wikipedia Project - Wapitikev - 05-18-2008
bones weep tedium Wrote:I was just looking through the information on FPW's Adversary Cycle and Repairman Jack and was thinking how woefully brief it was...the internet's biggest free encyclopedia.
I signed up for my free Wiki account today...I had to make changes to the RJ entry...it has a number of erroneous assertions like:
-In the beginning of the series, his father resided in Florida.
-Legacies, is the only one that is completely free of any overtly supernatural elements
-It doesn't list any of the YA novels
There may be more...I haven't finished reading the whole thing yet.
As it regards the "Secret History of the World"...should we start editing The Keep's Wiki entry or should we go back to the beginning with Demonsong? (there's no Wiki entry for it yet)
-Wapitikev
The Grand Adversary Cycle Wikipedia Project - Alvin Fox - 05-18-2008
Wapitikev Wrote:-Legacies, is the only one that is completely free of any overtly supernatural elements
...Isn't it?:confused: I mean, unless you include the short stories. But wasn't it just refering to the novels?
The Grand Adversary Cycle Wikipedia Project - Wapitikev - 05-18-2008
AlvinFox Wrote:...Isn't it?:confused: I mean, unless you include the short stories. But wasn't it just refering to the novels?
I did not correct that line in the Wiki article, but...
...while it is not overtly supernatural, the fact that Yoshio, the Japanese agent, works for Kaze Group (a shadowy cabal that controls the Japanese Government, just as a similar group, the Kureta Kao, did prior to WWII...and the same group who raised the supernatural Black Wind a.k.a. the Kuroi Kaze), certainly is a big hint that there are larger forces behind the scenes. We also find out that Broadcast Power was originally developed by Nikola Tesla who abandoned it for unknown reasons. Then, in Conspiracies (the next novel) we find out that one of the discoveries made by Tesla was a way to tap into the Otherness' home dimension, which is why he abandoned his research. Plus, in Legacies, there is a reference to Razorback Hill, which is directly related to the supernatural, Lovecraft-esque short story "The Barrens". Plus, there's a Sibs reference somewhere in Legacies.
So, while there were no overt supernatural scenes in Legacies, the entire narrative is underpinned by Otherness related story-lines. So, saying that Legacies had no supernatural elements in it is like saying that beach-sand has no water in it...if you dig a few inches below the surface you get wet.
-Wapitikev
The Grand Adversary Cycle Wikipedia Project - Dave F - 05-18-2008
Wapitikev Wrote:Plus, there's a Sibs reference somewhere in Legacies.
-Wapitikev
The house Jack borrows for one of his fixes is the house at the end of SIBS
I read the Legacies before SIBS so I missed this first time around. It was only when I reread legacies that I spotted it
These little connections are one of the major reasons that FPW is my favorite author.
The Grand Adversary Cycle Wikipedia Project - Alvin Fox - 05-18-2008
Wapitikev Wrote:I did not correct that line in the Wiki article, but...
...while it is not overtly supernatural, the fact that Yoshio, the Japanese agent, works for Kaze Group (a shadowy cabal that controls the Japanese Government, just as a similar group, the Kureta Kao, did prior to WWII...and the same group who raised the supernatural Black Wind a.k.a. the Kuroi Kaze), certainly is a big hint that there are larger forces behind the scenes. We also find out that Broadcast Power was originally developed by Nikola Tesla who abandoned it for unknown reasons. Then, in Conspiracies (the next novel) we find out that one of the discoveries made by Tesla was a way to tap into the Otherness' home dimension, which is why he abandoned his research. Plus, in Legacies, there is a reference to Razorback Hill, which is directly related to the supernatural, Lovecraft-esque short story "The Barrens". Plus, there's a Sibs reference somewhere in Legacies.
So, while there were no overt supernatural scenes in Legacies, the entire narrative is underpinned by Otherness related story-lines. So, saying that Legacies had no supernatural elements in it is like saying that beach-sand has no water in it...if you dig a few inches below the surface you get wet.
-Wapitikev
That's all true, but if you were to just read Legacies and nothing else (as impossible as it seems) Legacies is a self contained story that doesn't have mentions of the Ally, Otherness, Adversary, Compendiums, ghost girls, Rakoshi and the like. That's probably what they were going for.
The Grand Adversary Cycle Wikipedia Project - Libby - 05-18-2008
Wapitikev Wrote:I did not correct that line in the Wiki article, but...
...while it is not overtly supernatural, the fact that Yoshio, the Japanese agent, works for Kaze Group (a shadowy cabal that controls the Japanese Government, just as a similar group, the Kureta Kao, did prior to WWII...and the same group who raised the supernatural Black Wind a.k.a. the Kuroi Kaze), certainly is a big hint that there are larger forces behind the scenes. We also find out that Broadcast Power was originally developed by Nikola Tesla who abandoned it for unknown reasons. Then, in Conspiracies (the next novel) we find out that one of the discoveries made by Tesla was a way to tap into the Otherness' home dimension, which is why he abandoned his research. Plus, in Legacies, there is a reference to Razorback Hill, which is directly related to the supernatural, Lovecraft-esque short story "The Barrens". Plus, there's a Sibs reference somewhere in Legacies.
So, while there were no overt supernatural scenes in Legacies, the entire narrative is underpinned by Otherness related story-lines. So, saying that Legacies had no supernatural elements in it is like saying that beach-sand has no water in it...if you dig a few inches below the surface you get wet.
-Wapitikev
What you say is completely true, but Legacies was the 2nd FPW book I read, the 1st being the Tomb, and I couldn't find any strang happenings in it until I read Conspiracies, when it mentioned the whole Telsa thing. But when I read it at first, I was a little disapointed by the seemingly complete lack of supernateral activity, for before FPW I only read fantasy books.
The Grand Adversary Cycle Wikipedia Project - tenebroust - 05-18-2008
I really like the idea of tying this up like this. I am a MAJOR completist. The only problem I have with the whole idea is that this is being done on Wikipedia. I find that whole bunch to be a bunch of self righteous toe-heads (my apologies if any of you stout FPW fans are included in that broad swath). I think you'd have a lot morer freedom to put together something that would be free of the petty nitpicking that goes on at Wikipedia (no trivia sections, constant revisions, editorial wars, censorship, etc.) if you choose another encyclopedia site like everything2.com. Just my 2 cents.