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Fahrenheit 9/11 - jimbow8 - 07-02-2004 sublime1983 Wrote:Moore uses his "manipulative truths" to show that Bush is a "liar." He isn't. The reason you think so is because Moore tells you so. Remember, you just said that he manipulates the truth.So you are saying that Moore is a "liar" because he manipulates the truth to serve his agenda. Are you refuting that Bush (when I say Bush I usually mean the Bush administration, whether it be an individual or as a whole) does EXACTLY the same thing? Fahrenheit 9/11 - jimbow8 - 07-02-2004 sublime1983 Wrote:Wow, so you would vote for a man who has never said anything that has been true over a President who has the backbone to do what is needed to defend ourselves? I'm probably preaching to the wrong congregation, here. Maybe I should stop talking politics on this site.See, now why do you make blanket statements like that? It totally destroys your argument. Moore has NEVER said anything that was true?!?! Really? And everything Bush says is true probably, right? That is what really bugs me about Conservatives (Extremists on both sides do it, but to me it seems that conservatives do it more, mainly because I believe conservatives are further from "center" that the liberals currrently). They only seem to speak and think in terms of "black and white," "good and evil," "rich and poor," etc. Like there is no middle ground. Most Americans don't fit these polar ways of thinking, they tend to be somewhere in the middle. Fahrenheit 9/11 - fpw - 07-02-2004 By the way, Sublime1983 -- welcome to the board. Don't be afraid to stir things up. The only rule (and may this serve as a reminder to the rest of you as well): No ad hominem attacks on fellow boardwalkers. Public figures are fair game, of course. But here...flame, slash, burn, and nuke any opinions you disagree with, but not the person who posted them. Fahrenheit 9/11 - Scott Hajek - 07-02-2004 fpw Wrote:By the way, Sublime1983 -- welcome to the board. This is just one example of why I love this board. Every opinion is valid. Fahrenheit 9/11 - Noelie - 07-02-2004 And that's why FPW is our favorite Pappy. Fahrenheit 9/11 - SDSwami - 07-02-2004 sublime1983 Wrote:Its funny because its true. But you do hear how people want to make things better (unless you are Kerry, he just tells you that he isn't George W. Bush) but it gets pushed out of the light because its bigger news to hear that so and so called so and so a liar. Rounds has been an ok govenor. He's definately a lot better than Janklow who did nothing but push people around while he was in office and make the schools in the state worse off. As far as the Daschle/Thune race goes, I will never vote for Thune. I know Daschle and Bush butt heads on a lot of issues, but I would rather see that over some little puppet that Bush can use to do what ever he pleases and that's what Thune is. Right now these two are arguing because Daschle asked Thune to tell the out of state groups to stay out of the race and he told them no and at the same time, Thune asked Daschle to have a spending limit on the race and Daschle told him no. The finger pointing I talked about in the Gov race was between Thune and I honestly can't remember right now (I tried to find it on the internet but was coming up with nothing). This race ended up being very nasty and Rounds just sat back and won the primary in a landslide over the other two. Fahrenheit 9/11 - Ken Valentine - 07-03-2004 sublime1983 Wrote:Well, thats true...but you can still go and vote on everything else, like issues, and leave your presidential boxes blank. Leaving it blank just gives somebody else the opportunity to fill it in for you. Ken V. Fahrenheit 9/11 - Richard Kendrick - 07-03-2004 Scott Hajek Wrote:In some states you do have to choose D or R when registering. Yes, I know. Quote:I actually registered as a Republican when I turned 18. Doesn't really matter unless I choose to run for office. I've voted both sides of the ticket in general elections and voted both sides in Primaries where you have to pick one slate v. the other. In fact, I picked a Republican ballot this last primary to vote for a particular State's Attorney in a local race (he lost), and then (in a very proud moment) I left my chads in place for Bush and Hastert (yes, the Drew Carey look-alike is my rep, lucky me). "He's not gonna get my vote, no sir." Before I moved to Texas I was a registered Republican. However, I have voted for Democrats several times. There were a couple of judges that I thought were going to do better jobs. And then there was the David Duke/Edwin Edwards race for Governor. I held my nose and voted for "The Crook". Quote:So, whether Moore registered in one party or not, he doesn't have to affiliate himself with either one. So, what does it matter? He's not running for office. Thank goodness. Quote:But, he would get my vote if he did. Yikes! RIK Fahrenheit 9/11 - sublime1983 - 07-03-2004 Marc B. Wrote:By annoyed I meant that you would assume I only get my news source from one person. In any event, two of Bush's lies that pop into mind are listed below (these are also the easiest ones to point a finger at... if you want more examples I'll take some time and write up a list). Gotcha. Ahmed Hikmat Shakir and January 5, 2000. Look those two up. Beyond that, I will just say that it is highly believed that the Iraqi Gov. trained him. They say he was working for the Iraqi Intelligence Service. He was also a major figure in the meetings of high ranking al Qaeda memebers. Thats a tie, although a small one, but I don't think you can just look past it. "Iraqi intelligence documents from 1992 list Osama bin Laden as an iraqi intelligence asset. Numerous sources have reported a 1993 nonaggression pact between Iraq and al Uaeda. The former deputy director of Iraqi intelligence now in U.S. custody says that bin Laden asked the Iraqi regime for arms and training in a face-to-face meeting in 1994 (doesn't mean they gave the weapons to bin Laden)...An Irqi working closely with the Iraqi embassy in Kuala Lumpur was photographed with September 11 hijacker Khalid al Mihdhar en route to a planning meeting for the bombing of the USS Cole and the September 11 attacks in 2000." All the above quote was from Stephen F. Hayes and was in his new book The Connection . I suggest you take a look if you want to see what the other side is. You do know that the war wasn't strictly because of WMDs, don't you? You didn't ignore the rest of President Bush's speech about a war in Iraq, did you? If you remember, President Bush listed off about nine reasons for going into Iraq, WMDs being just one. Others were to liberate the Iraqi citizens. To get rid of a dictator. Reasons like that. As for the WMDs, hadn't it recently come out that we found some kind of yellow dust, or whatever its called, to is needed to build some kind of bomb. I will stop on this one because I just recently heard it and haven't followed up on it. But one event I like to bring up is when we found all kinds of Biological weapons in Jordan. They tell us they got them from Syria. Well, Syria doesn't have the capabilities to make all those weapons. And if you remember, the CIA reported that Iraq had weapons, but there was just as good a chance as those weapons being moved into a neighboring country. So, Syria's weapons are also known as Iraq's WMDs. It is a popular thing to blame George H. W. Bush for not going into Baghdad in the Gulf War. He didn't exterminate Saddam when he had a chance. He didn't get rid of their WMDs back then when we knew they had them. They had used them on the Kurds. So you would trust an evil dictator's word that they got rid of them over common sense? They had them, they aren't going to disappear, and he kicked the UN out of the country before he was supposed to. What was he hidding, some embarassing pictures? Don't remember that speech. Couldn't find it on the net anywhere. Maybe you could help (Rice & Powell denying WMDs). Looking into buying them. I think that was the yellow dust or fairy dust or whatever it is that I was talking about earlier. It was that they were going into Nigeria to buy it so they could build Atomic Bombs. Would you trust this country? So, Iraq doesn't have weapons? What happend to them? Are they in Syria now, another evil country? Or have they magically disappeared? Fahrenheit 9/11 - sublime1983 - 07-03-2004 Scott Hajek Wrote:Since when is an act of agression considered defense? Oh, that's right since GWB decided to use a dictionary re-written by the facist, neo-nazi, neo-con, far-right extremists that use fear and terror as weapons in a "war" on terrorism. But, wait, that assumes GWB can read on at least a 6th grade level. Cheap shot. When all else fails, start attacking our President's intelligence. If thats how our debate will go, I won't continue with you. Then you go on to call Cheney F-Bomb. You can easily say he has lied about these things as easy as I could say that he hasn't. Use a little evidence like Marc did above you. In order for me to refute, I need something to refute. |