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New Gunny question: 9mm or .40 cal? - Ken Valentine - 11-11-2006
NewYorkjoe Wrote:I know, didn't mean to say different. The trigger takes getting used to. The trigger on my Kahr is actually much better.
And even that could probably be improved with a little judicious stoning. And I'm thinking it's the same with a Glock.
Quote: for a novice or one who has never become used to the 1911, the Glock is very easy to learn, especially for women and I often recommend Glocks to them as their first or only handgun.
That's fine as long as they are taught to keep their finger off the trigger until they have their sights lined up on the target. Too many cops wind up shooting themselves because they don't practise this simple technique, and that's why Joe Cominolli invented an external safety for the Glock.
Quote:If I miss with a .454 Casull or a .45-70 Gov., then all I've done is make a loud noise and some breeze! (I can do that with Mexican food and leave the firearm at home!)
If you miss with anything, it's just a loud noise and a breeze. And as an aside, "45-70 Government" is kind of redundant. Originally, the cartridge was called the 45 Government. Later it came to be called the 45-70. It's equivalent to calling Winchesters cartridge a "44-40 WCF." Originally, it was called 44WCF, (Winchester Center Fire) and later it came to be called the 44-40, it doesn't need to be called both.
Granted, a lot of people do call it the 45-70 government, and Starline even stamps their brass 45-70 GOVT, but it's really not necessary. 45-70 or 45 government -- calling it both is just excess verbiage.
Now, it's your job to correct everybody else.
Ken V.
New Gunny question: 9mm or .40 cal? - Ken Valentine - 11-11-2006
law dawg Wrote:You're right, of course. But JUST punching holes is also not enough. Good fundamental training, but just the fundamentals of shooting, not fundamentals of shooting in a gun fight.
For the record, I have never said that just punching holes was enough. But shooting skills are just as necessary as tactical skills. They're both necessary.
Ken V.
New Gunny question: 9mm or .40 cal? - law dawg - 11-11-2006
Ken Valentine Wrote:For the record, I have never said that just punching holes was enough. But shooting skills are just as necessary as tactical skills. They're both necessary.I was speaking generally, not at anything you had said.
Ken V.
I concentrate on having a good, solid set of shooting skills and then being able to use them tactically. I have a limited amount of time to spend between shooting, CQB, DT and then having a life in there somewhere......
What I have seen most is great shooters suffer incredible degradation of their skills when put in an adrenalized state.Look at the evidence - most LEOs are decent shots. Not always great, but they have to qualify. They have the skill set. But as soon as they're put in a real life-or-death situation, most of the shootings show them spraying and praying. What happened to their skills? They didn't lose them between their last qual. They just don't know what happens to their body in such a situation and haven't trained against it.
I never want to be that guy.
New Gunny question: 9mm or .40 cal? - fpw - 11-11-2006
law dawg Wrote:I was speaking generally, not at anything you had said.
I concentrate on having a good, solid set of shooting skills and then being able to use them tactically. I have a limited amount of time to spend between shooting, CQB, DT and then having a life in there somewhere......
Look at the evidence - most LEOs are decent shots. Not always great, but they have to qualify. They have the skill set. But as soon as they're put in a real life-or-death situation, most of the shootings show them spraying and praying. What happened to their skills? They didn't lose them between their last qual. They just don't know what happens to their body in such a situation and haven't trained against it.
I never want to be that guy.
[SIZE="3"]"Look son, being a good shot, being quick with a pistol, that don't do no harm, but it don't mean much next to being cool-headed. A man who will keep his head and not get rattled under fire, like as not, he'll kill ya. It ain't so easy to shoot a man anyhow, especially if the son-of-a-bitch is shootin' back at you." [/SIZE] Little Bill Daggett: in Unforgiven.
New Gunny question: 9mm or .40 cal? - law dawg - 11-12-2006
fpw Wrote:[SIZE="3"]"Look son, being a good shot, being quick with a pistol, that don't do no harm, but it don't mean much next to being cool-headed. A man who will keep his head and not get rattled under fire, like as not, he'll kill ya. It ain't so easy to shoot a man anyhow, especially if the son-of-a-bitch is shootin' back at you." [/SIZE] Little Bill Daggett: in Unforgiven.Great quote. Hell, great movie for that matter.
New Gunny question: 9mm or .40 cal? - KRW - 11-14-2006
law dawg Wrote:Great quote. Hell, great movie for that matter.
Come on Law Dawg, who are you trying to kiss up too? FPW or Clint Eastwood?
New Gunny question: 9mm or .40 cal? - law dawg - 11-16-2006
KRW Wrote:Come on Law Dawg, who are you trying to kiss up too? FPW or Clint Eastwood?Yes?
New Gunny question: 9mm or .40 cal? - KRW - 11-19-2006
law dawg Wrote:Yes?
Whoever will listen, gotcha!
New Gunny question: 9mm or .40 cal? - T-Bone - 11-21-2006
I like the 9 for one reason: They're cheap to shoot when you want to throw out alot of lead. (Same reason I use .38s in my .357)
For an actual firearm to be used though, 45 ACP all the way.
New Gunny question: 9mm or .40 cal? - law dawg - 11-21-2006
T-Bone Wrote:I like the 9 for one reason: They're cheap to shoot when you want to throw out alot of lead. (Same reason I use .38s in my .357)I like the 45 as a round, just don't like the government model, as I don't like anything really with a safety. Its just a training issue - I've never trained to fire with a "cock and lock" mechanism. If I pulled my pistol cocked and locked or something that needed to be manually cocked I'd be screwed. I would be pulling a non-responsive trigger, which would end up with me being shot, most likely.
For an actual firearm to be used though, 45 ACP all the way.