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LOST... the 4th season - Paul R - 02-20-2008
Maggers Wrote:The creators of LOST have had this whole gig figured out from the beginning. Sometimes it feels like they're just winging it, but apparently not.
I like to believe they've always known where they were going. A few twists and turns may have cropped up along the way, but I bet they've always had an ultimate destination and a route how to get there.
LOST... the 4th season - Maggers - 02-20-2008
Paul R Wrote:I like to believe they've always known where they were going. A few twists and turns may have cropped up along the way, but I bet they've always had an ultimate destination and a route how to get there.SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN LOST YET........
You're right. I guess I thought that, too, but it felt shocking to me that they would know so early in the game that Charlie, specifically Charlie, would die. Man, that's what I call planning ahead.
I guess, though, it makes sense if you consider their theory of the Universe "course correcting." Charlie should have died when Ethan left him hanging by his neck in the jungle in the first season. Jack nearly wasn't able to revive him; he did finally, but only after much effort. I guess Charlie was slated never to leave the Island alive.
SPOILERS IF YOU ARE READING THIS THREAD FROM LAST TO FIRST......
LOST... the 4th season - jimbow8 - 02-20-2008
Maggers Wrote:Here's a horrifying thought....suppose BEN is the "he" that Kate has to get home to in the flash forward with Jack at the airport!!!???? Suppose Kate and Ben have some as yet undiscovered connection, or he blackmails her into staying with him or taking care of him or something because of her nefarious background. OMG, I'd rather kill myself than live like that.
Ahem!
jimbow8 Wrote:I'm thinking that the "him" that Kate has to get back to is Ben or one of the Others or even someone from the freighter.See below
Maggers Wrote:I was wondering if the conversation that Ben and Sayid had in the flash forward referred to Sayid's original fall into torturing, back in Irag when he let his lady love go free and was then captured by Kate's father (remember that?!) and forced to become a torturer by Kelvin (remember that?!). Ben accuses Sayid of getting into trouble by thinking with his heart rather than his gun, and Ben tells him to remember what happened the first time Sayid thought that way, though no details are given. Sayid says something like that's how you convinced me to kill for you. Was he referring to Irag or something closer in time to the Island?The exact exchange is as follows:
[INDENT]Ben: "Need I remind you of the last time you thought with your heart instead of your gun?"
Sayid: "You used that to recruit me into killing for you."
Ben: "You wanna protect your friends or not, Sayid? ..... I have another name for you."
Sayid: "But they know I'm after them now."
Ben: "...... Good...."[/INDENT]
I got the distinct impression that Sayid was referring to something that happened on the island or the ship (NOT in Iraq). But then again, maybe that's just what they want me to think.
Which friends is Ben talking about protecting, the ones still left on the island or the Oceanic 6?
Is it possible that Kate is also now working for Ben?
LOST... the 4th season - Maggers - 02-21-2008
jimbow8 Wrote:[INDENT]Ben: "Need I remind you of the last time you thought with your heart instead of your gun?"
Sayid: "You used that to recruit me into killing for you."
Ben: "You wanna protect your friends or not, Sayid? ..... I have another name for you."
Sayid: "But they know I'm after them now."
Ben: "...... Good...."[/INDENT]
I got the distinct impression that Sayid was referring to something that happened on the island or the ship (NOT in Iraq). But then again, maybe that's just what they want me to think.
I was thinking of the episode called "The Greater Good," where Sayid is picked up in London and taken to Sydney by the CIA so he can turn in a terrorist cell operating there. He betrays his old friend for a woman, his love from Iraq whom the CIA said they would pick up if he didn't help them or if he did help them, they'd give Sayid her address. He thought with his heart and said yes. Sayid also thought with his heart in that episode by changing his flight to Oceanic 815 so that he could properly bury the friend he had betrayed.
And tonight, the pop up notes on last week's episode made reference to Sayid's letting his emotions get in his way and they mentioned his lady love in Iraq! Ha!
LOST... the 4th season - Marc - 02-22-2008
Overall I thought this was a pretty weak episode.
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When Kate mentioned she had a son Francine told me she bet it was Aaron. Looks like she was right. But the question is is he considered one of the Oceanic 6 or not? He hadn't been born yet but but he was still on the plane technically.
LOST... the 4th season - Aprilis - 02-22-2008
jimbow8 Wrote:[INDENT]Ben: "Need I remind you of the last time you thought with your heart instead of your gun?"
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This time when I heard Ben say this I felt as if he was referring to Naomi
LOST... the 4th season - Maggers - 02-22-2008
I liked it better than you did, Marc.
Did Ben coerce the Oceanic 6 into becoming the Oceanic 6 through financial or other dastardly means? Did he force the survivors to choose among themselves who'd leave and who would stay? How did Ben get that wealthy? Who does Ben work for? Remember the words of Sayid, everyone has a boss. Is it Jacob or someone else or a mix of both?
What's wiley Miles up to with his 3.2 million dollar request?
And is Kate really as morally skanky as she appeared to be in this episode? Her conversation with Jack after she was released creeped me out. She told him that until he was OK with her baby he couldn't be with her, in any way, even for coffee.
What the hell did Kate do to or with Claire in order to get Aaron? Kate has essentially recreated the Ben-takes-Alex-from-Rousseau-to-raise-her-as-his-own scenario. It's Jack's reaction to Kate having Aaron that makes it seem so suspicious.
LOST... the 4th season - jacobm - 02-22-2008
Maggers Wrote:Ben accuses Sayid of getting into trouble by thinking with his heart rather than his gun, and Ben tells him to remember what happened the first time Sayid thought that way, though no details are given. Sayid says something like that's how you convinced me to kill for you. Was he referring to Irag or something closer in time to the Island?
Maybe that is related somehow to the connection between Sayid and Naomi?
LOST... the 4th season - jacobm - 02-22-2008
Maggers Wrote:Wow. I'd heard it before but didn't really believe it. The creators of LOST have had this whole gig figured out from the beginning. Sometimes it feels like they're just winging it, but apparently not.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if they knew where they were going with this. Wasn't the original plan for LOST to be a 12 episode and done one season shot?
LOST... the 4th season - Maggers - 02-22-2008
jacobm Wrote:Maybe that is related somehow to the connection between Sayid and Naomi?That may be.
But the "pop up" information that aired underneath the repeat of that episode last night made reference to Sayid letting emotions get in the way of this thinking when he was in Iraq with the women he loved, whom he let get away.
That "pop up" information is generally correct, seeing as how it's written by the authors of the show.
It seems, though, that Sayid gets emotional with whatever woman he's dealing with, and maybe one of them was/is Naomi. We don't know yet.