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Fahrenheit 9/11 - Scott Hajek - 07-01-2004
remylass Wrote:Usually, I try to stay out of these discussions.
I have to completely agree with FPW. Michael Moore has even stated in interviews that he skews facts on purpose. He has stated that he isn’t even really making “documentaries”. I lost all interest in him after watching Bowling for Columbine. Many of the facts were so screwed up. So many people came forward after and said the film completely skirted around everything they were really saying. Moore has stated that he “assumes” his audience knows he is playing with words, and they shouldn’t take him so literally.
I won't even get into the way he portrayed Charlton Heston with his editing.
Haven't seen F9/11 or Bowling yet. However, there is always one thing to remember, and this comes from the "reality shows" on TV: selective editing makes for good drama, yet the villains that are shown that way (Omarosa, anyone?) because they do act that way.
Fahrenheit 9/11 - Richard Kendrick - 07-01-2004
Marc B. Wrote:On a side note, Moore isn't a Democrat. He's a liberal that hasn't endorsed Kerry, hates Bush, and wants the country back for the people.
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Michael Moore simultaneously on voter rolls in New York, Michigan
JUNE 28--Prior to last week's Washington, D.C. premiere of "Fahrenheit 9/11," Michael Moore denied that the new documentary represents his de facto endorsement of John Kerry. "I am an Independent," the filmmaker told reporters. "I'm not a member of the Democratic party."
Which is not exactly correct.
New York City Board of Elections records show that Moore, 50, registered to vote in Gotham in 1992, checking off "Democratic" as his party affiliation (below you'll find a copy of his original registration form). He listed his address as the swanky Upper West Side building where he owns a multimillion dollar condominium (Moore's office is on West 57th Street). The filmmaker's New York registration remains active, though he has not voted since an October 2001 Democratic runoff election.
Now here's the good part: Moore is simultaneously registered to vote in Michigan, where registrants aren't even given the option of party affiliation (so he's not an Independent there either). According to Antrim County records, Moore registered last April from his lakefront spread in northern Michigan, where he reportedly splits his time, but has yet to vote in Michigan. He transferred his drivers license to Michigan from New York around the same time, though Moore has a Volkswagen Beetle registered from his Manhattan home.
We're sure this is some kind of innocent mix-up, that Moore forgot to cancel his New York registration before signing up in Michigan. Though, as a New York City voter, TSG can tell you it's hard not to realize you are registered, since a voter's mailbox is regularly bombarded with candidate mail, official voter guides, and Board of Election notices about upcoming elections and reminders about the location of your polling place.
On his web site, Moore asks visitors to take his "Pledge of Democratic Allegiance," which calls for them to register ten new voters this summer and spend one October weekend in a swing state. "The important thing is, if you live in a place like New York or Texas, you gotta head over to Pennsylvania or New Mexico," writes Moore, who provides a list of 18 states, ranked in order of importance, that could go either blue or red. He places Michigan thirteenth on that list.
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This came from http://thesmokinggun.com
RIK
Fahrenheit 9/11 - SDSwami - 07-01-2004
Personally, I've grown to hate politics completely. It's like watching a bunch of four year olds who sit there and point fingers at each other and cry about what the other person is doing. You hardly ever hear about what they are going to do to make things better for us, but instead you always hear about how evil the other person is.
A great story about this happened here in SD a couple years ago in the Republican primary for the govener's seat. At the start of the race it was considered a two man race with a few other candidates that no one even knew. During this race, it became very negative between those two. It basicly made you so sick of hearing the commercials on tv that you almost prefered to not even watch it. While those two sat there blasting away at each other, a third candidate started running ads about what he wanted to do for the state and never once pointed a finger at the other two. When the election came, that third candidate won it and then went on to win the general election and is now our current govenor.
Now we have another big election coming up this fall between Daschle and the Rep candidate, Thune. There are a lot of people here that are going to vote for Thune just because they don't want Daschle anymore even though he's in a position in DC that no one in SD has ever been in before. It bothers me that people are doing this, because I honestly feel (along with others I've talked to) that Thune is nothing but a puppet for Bush. The only times Bush or Cheney have made visits to the state have been to offer support for Thune. They put on a big show but you can see they honestly don't care about the state and the only reason they are here is because they want someone that they can control in congress.
Fahrenheit 9/11 - Scott Hajek - 07-01-2004
It all reminds me of a scene from "Brewster's Millions" with Richard Pryor. The one where he spends his money on a campaign for "None of the Above." If only it were true.
Fahrenheit 9/11 - fpw - 07-01-2004
Scott Hajek Wrote:It all reminds me of a scene from "Brewster's Millions" with Richard Pryor. The one where he spends his money on a campaign for "None of the Above." If only it were true.
Too bad that's not a ballot option. It would make for a true referendum. As it is, the only way you can express displeasure with all candidates is to stay home. Later on you're told, "If you didn't vote, you can't complain."
In an election between Cthulhu, Yog-Sothoth, and Shub-Niggurath, I want the option to say No Thanks. Come up with a better slate, you morons.
Fahrenheit 9/11 - jimbow8 - 07-01-2004
Richard Kendrick Wrote:What is this form you are showing us?
This looks like a registration to vote in a Primary. In Illinois (can't speak for other states) you must choose which Primary you are going to vote in. You are not allowed to vote in the Democratic AND Republican primary. You must choose one or the other by filling out a form. I voted in the Democratic primary this year because it is presumed that Bush will be the nominee for President for the Republican Party. By checking that Democrat box I am in NO WAY representing myself as a member of the Democratic Party. Also, Right to Life, Conservative and Liberal (choices listed on the form) are not political parties.
Also, the "Pleadge of Democratic Allegiance" probably does not refer to the Party but instead to the form of government which we supposedly have in this country (or at least what it is commonly refered to, which it isn't).
Fahrenheit 9/11 - Noelie - 07-01-2004
Quote:In an election between Cthulhu, Yog-Sothoth, and Shub-Niggurath, I want the option to say No Thanks. Come up with a better slate, you morons.
That is EXACTLY how I feel about this mess. I'm sick of being told that if I don't vote, I can't complain; I am also sick of pulling a lever next to the name of a person that I don't really want to vote for at all. What kind of vote is that?
The last time I voted and felt that it really mattered a damn bit was when David Duke was running for the governor of Louisiana. You still see the bumper stickers on cars here occasionally from that election - "Vote for the crook, it's important!". (For those who don't know, that was Edwin Edwards (crook) vs. David Duke (former Grand Poobahwhatever of the KKK).
Blah.
(Edited to correct a typo)
Fahrenheit 9/11 - Ken Valentine - 07-02-2004
Marc B. Wrote:I suppose it depends on your point of view. Michael Moore uses manipulative truths (i.e. shows his point of view or chooses his wording to make his point known) while Bush flat out lies. I think it's a little different. If anything, the movie is highly entertaining.
Manipulating the truth is also lying. Bush is a liar, Michael Moore is a liar.
Quote:On a side note, Moore isn't a Democrat. He's a liberal that hasn't endorsed Kerry, hates Bush, and wants the country back for the people.
Which people?
I see him as another dregging Socialist who wants to bring the Democraps farther to the LEFT.
It's going to be interesting to see what happens regarding the airing of F-911 after July, and McCain-Feingold kicks in forbidding political criticism. Michael Moore endorsed and supported McCain Feingold . . . a downright TREASONOUS violation of the first amendment.
Ken V.
Fahrenheit 9/11 - Ken Valentine - 07-02-2004
Quote: "I am an Independent," the filmmaker told reporters. "I'm not a member of the Democratic party."
RIK
It's not exactly a lie either. It's just another example of his manipulations of the truth.
Millions of people are registered to vote as Democrats, but only a microscopic few are actually members of The Party.
The same is true of Republicans.
It's like when Kolabati asks Kusum if he has Rakoshi in New York, and Kusum solemnly swears that he did not send Rakoshi after Jack. He didn't lie to her, he evaded the truth by denying something else.
Michael Moore is a master of this kind of manipulation . . . as are most politicians.
Ken V.
Fahrenheit 9/11 - Ken Valentine - 07-02-2004
Noelie Wrote:That is EXACTLY how I feel about this mess. I'm sick of being told that if I don't vote, I can't complain; I am also sick of pulling a lever next to the name of a person that I don't really want to vote for at all. What kind of vote is that?
Blah.
It is implicit in the Democratic process that if you participate -- by voting in this instance -- you agree to go along with the majority. So actually, those who don't vote, are the only one's who legitimately CAN complain.
Another attitude that really steams my clams is the idea that a vote for a third party is a wasted vote because the third party candidate doesn't have much chance of winning.
Well, if you were in prison, and had a 48 percent chance of lethal injection, a 47 percent chance of the electric chair, and a 5 percent chance of escape . . . which would you vote for?
Yep. Me too!
Ken V.