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This may sound like sour grapes - WR.PARK - 11-21-2006
NYJ: We're impressed with your sensitivity toward wayward animals. It's a shame that you're not prone to acting in the same manner toward humans.
If you'll note, my website listing only appeared with my first message. It's normally automatic (something my agent suggested)--but when I sensed a negative response, I eliminated same.
As of me, I'm through playing your silly 'words' game! Bye-bye!
This may sound like sour grapes - NewYorkjoe - 11-21-2006
webby Wrote:Hey! Watch it now, Joe - Kansas City is quite avante-garde in cerain areas and it is a major metropolitan area. It hasn't been a "cowtown" for probably a hundred years!
I apologize profusely and profoundly if I have offended you, Webby! I have lived in Bartlesville, OK, the home of Phillips 66 and the biggest one-company town in the country. Although they have a symphony orchestra, they are probably a cultural backwater compared to Kansas City. Still, I do love them K.C. ribs! :p
This may sound like sour grapes - NewYorkjoe - 11-21-2006
WR.PARK Wrote:NYJ: We're impressed with your sensitivity toward wayward animals. It's a shame that you're not prone to acting in the same manner toward humans.
If you'll note, my website listing only appeared with my first message. It's normally automatic (something my agent suggested)--but when I sensed a negative response, I eliminated same.
As of me, I'm through playing your silly 'words' game! Bye-bye!
Since when are ad executives considered human? LOL!
Stop back again soon, I'm missing your lively (almost) banter already!
This may sound like sour grapes - jimbow8 - 11-21-2006
WR.PARK Wrote:NYJ: We're impressed with your sensitivity toward wayward animals. It's a shame that you're not prone to acting in the same manner toward humans.Don't let him scare you off. And feel free to include a link to promote your books and your website in your sig file. Others do it, contrary to what he might tell you.
If you'll note, my website listing only appeared with my first message. It's normally automatic (something my agent suggested)--but when I sensed a negative response, I eliminated same.
As of me, I'm through playing your silly 'words' game! Bye-bye!
This may sound like sour grapes - yoyogod - 11-21-2006
WR.PARK Wrote:If you'll note, my website listing only appeared with my first message. It's normally automatic (something my agent suggested)--but when I sensed a negative response, I eliminated same.
As of me, I'm through playing your silly 'words' game! Bye-bye!
As much as I hate getting into the middle of something like this, if your "agent" sold the books listed on your website, I'd get a new agent.
Two books published by notorious scammers Publish America, one published by the vanity press AuthorHouse, and two by winterwolf publishing, which according to a quick search of some writer's forums, went out of business earlier this year, and apparently never paid royalties to some authors (this means they were quite possibly scammers). Are you sure your agent is legit?
This may sound like sour grapes - NewYorkjoe - 11-21-2006
yoyogod Wrote:As much as I hat getting into the middle of something like this, if your "agent" sold the books listed on your website, I'd get a new agent.
Two books published by notorious scammers Publish America, one published by the vanity press AuthorHouse, and two by winterwolf publishing, which according to a quick search of some writer's forums, went out of business earlier this year, and apparently never paid royalties to some authors (this means they were quite possibly scammers). Are you sure your agent is legit?
One must always be on the lookout for the unscrupulous literary agent. They are parasites feeding off the ideas of those better than they who have talent they cannot emulate (literary critics are another related species).
I had a neighbor, David Gordon, who published a number of books through Vantage Press in Manhattan, perhaps the flagship of the Vanity Press. Dave was an attorney specializing in investments, but was bitten by the writing bug big time! How surprised I was, many years later, when I was dating a social worker who attended an accelerated course at NYU and one of Dave's books was in the syllabus! This was his first book ("Overcoming the Fear of Death") and I had a signed first edition! I do not believe his second book ("Self-Love") had as large a following due to its subject (the first line of the book reads: "Everybody masturbates!"). Still, perhaps the subject was within his grasp and one always should write about what one knows!
The above is absolutely true, no joke!
This may sound like sour grapes - WR.PARK - 11-21-2006
Yoyogod: If you knew anything about today's literary business, you'd be aware of how difficult it is to get an agent and get published. If agents do not recognize your name, or if you're not referred by one of their clients, you have little chance. Today, the literary god is profit. After retirement, I attempted, like so many others, receiving polite rejections.
I had no knowledge of PublishAmerica until their publisher contacted me--and I jumped at the chance for my first two novels. I did not agree for them to publish the third in the trilogy--so to have it published a year after the second, I opted to self-publish that one. However, 'The Franciscan Trilogy' received excellent local, regional, national, and international acclaim, including dozens of positive reviews, interviews on Public Radio and Fox-TV. In all, I had 18-book signings. Not too bad for a first-time neophyte without publicity backing from a publisher.
Winterwolf Publishing heard of my work and agreed to publish 'Overlay' and the sequel, 'The Dacian Resurgence.' Yes, they didn't live up to their promises. Again, the reviews were positive. Bestselling author Jon Land read and reviewed my international suspense novel, "Overlay', comparing it with Ludlum's best work. And bestselling author James Rollins read and reviewed 'The Dacian Resurgence', comparing it with both Clancy and Cussler's work.
I had no literary agent for the first five novels. Based on the reviews, especially those by bestselling authors, Jon Land and James Rollins--I landed a New York agent to handle all past and future work. This year he took my novels to the International Book Fair in London and emailed me: "You weren't here but you were a hit in London and the second most requested material that we handle."
Recently, he had two publishing editors review one of my manuscripts, 'Fatal Incision' (a spinoff of the Jack the Ripper mystery)--and received glowing feedback. There are another five completed manuscripts.
All five of my first novels initially took off in the beginning but sales took a nose dive without publicity. Perhaps we can improve on that in the future.
So you see, Yoyogod, one must start somewhere, have confidence in your work, and move up from there. Hopefully that's what I did.
This may sound like sour grapes - Manda_W - 11-21-2006
Keep it coming, I am having flashbacks to my sorority house in college. In fact, this is even better.
This may sound like sour grapes - Scott Miller - 11-21-2006
Manda_W Wrote:Keep it coming, I am having flashbacks to my sorority house in college.
I don't see what all the girls walking home every morning has to do with anything.
This may sound like sour grapes - Manda_W - 11-21-2006
Not the Jack situations, this little cat fight we have going. Anyone got popcorn to share?