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Best film/s for accurate warfare / fighting / shootin' - flyingfox - 05-08-2011
Following my thread on Fast/Furious, what film/s are good for accurate or fairly accurate warfare, fighting, shooting etc.
What films are very bad and why, what was wrong, did the lead hold his gun upside down, lol.
Best film/s for accurate warfare / fighting / shootin' - Peter - 05-08-2011
Any western where the good guy draws and, without aiming, shoots the pistol out of the bad guys hand, without hitting his hand, from about 50 yards.
Ken V could tell you more but I'm sure the old Colts etc. were nothing like that accurate even if you did take the time to aim!
Also I've been told that it is virtually impossible to shoot out the tyres on a moving car. The combination of rubber construction and the rotation apparently just cause bullets to rebound off without causing any damage. Or so I've been told, never tried it myself!
Best film/s for accurate warfare / fighting / shootin' - Ken Valentine - 05-08-2011
Peter Wrote:Any western where the good guy draws and, without aiming, shoots the pistol out of the bad guys hand, without hitting his hand, from about 50 yards.The old Colts were fairly accurate but the ammunition wasn't -- at least not as accurate as modern smokeless ammunition. And back in the '50's, when ammunition manufacturers discovered that hand loads were far more accurate than their factory loads were, they began to hire hand loaders to help them improve the accuracy of their ammunition.
Ken V could tell you more but I'm sure the old Colts etc. were nothing like that accurate even if you did take the time to aim!
The result was greatly increased accuracy. But as hand loaders can tailor ammunition for specific guns, hand loads are STILL more accurate.
But as far as shooting a gun out of the bad guys hand from fifty yards, that is either ridiculous or it's a one-in-a-million accident.
Someone who shoots that way can hit a human size target from about 15 yards but that's about the limit.
Quote:Also I've been told that it is virtually impossible to shoot out the tyres on a moving car. The combination of rubber construction and the rotation apparently just cause bullets to rebound off without causing any damage. Or so I've been told, never tried it myself!I've never tried it, but I have shot .22's at old tires lying against an earthen bank. the bullet just bounces right off. And those were old, rotted tires to boot. As far as hand guns are concerned, it would take a very high velocity "pointed" bullet to penetrate the sidewall of a tire. And one that's not moving.
I would imagine that to shoot out a tire while it's moving would take a fairly high velocity bullet and it would have to be a moderately heavy bullet as well. And most likely it would have to be shot into the sidewall. It would also probably depend on how fast the tire is rotating.
But I really don't know.
That shooting the gun out of someone's hand business was something we saw on '40's and 50's movies and television shows. The gun would go flying out of the villain's hand and he would shake the sting out of his hand -- and the gun would still be usable.
What a joke!
Then later -- in the '70's and so on, if someone was hit by a bullet he would go flying. A good illustration of this would be in the Tom Selleck movie QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER; where Quigley shoots a bad guy and he flips backward, head over heels. The bullet might knock him off balance, but it would otherwise go right through him.
Another example of this sort of silliness is a scene in the Kevin Costner movie OPEN RANGE (an otherwise excellent movie) where Robert Duval shoots a shotgun through a thin wooden wall and the bad guy on the other side of the wall flies ten or so feet into the wall of the next building before hitting the ground. As the old law of physics states; for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Which means that if the bad guy flew in one direction Robert Duval would go flying in the opposite direction. (And the shot gun blast wouldn't make a huge hole in the wall either -- the shot column doesn't spread that quickly; there would be one inch size holes in the wall. Or if he pulled both triggers at the same time, there would be an oval hole in the wall.
Things seem to have gone from one silly extreme to another.
Oh, and another silly myth is shooting a bullet into a gas tank and causing the tank to explode. The bullet would be very hot of course, but it wouldn't be hot enough to ignite the gasoline -- the gasoline would cool it too fast. Even if the tank was mostly empty, and the bullet passed through fumes, it wouldn't explode the tank. there has to be a considerable amount of oxygen in the tank for the vapor to ignite. Shooting tracers into a gas tank might be different, but I don't know. I've never fired a tracer into a gas tank.
A propane tank is a different matter altogether.
Ken V.
Best film/s for accurate warfare / fighting / shootin' - Peter - 05-08-2011
And what about how the Good Guy always gets shot and wounded, the Bad Guy gets shot and killed. Every time!
Actually it's far easier to think of where they get it wrong than where they get right.
Best film/s for accurate warfare / fighting / shootin' - Ken Valentine - 05-08-2011
Peter Wrote:And what about how the Good Guy always gets shot and wounded, the Bad Guy gets shot and killed. Every time!Well, almost every time.
What used to give me a chuckle was how if the good guy got shot, you see him at the end of the program with his arm in a sling, and the next week he was fine again. There used to be a detective show on TV called Mannix, and this sort of thing happened all the time.
Quote:Actually it's far easier to think of where they get it wrong than where they get right.TRUE! And with good reason.
Ken V.
Best film/s for accurate warfare / fighting / shootin' - flyingfox - 05-08-2011
Could a bullet cause a spark to ignitea tank of fuel?
Brilliant replies.
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Best film/s for accurate warfare / fighting / shootin' - flyingfox - 05-08-2011
So even a machine gun would bounce off a tyre? Stand back, lol.
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Best film/s for accurate warfare / fighting / shootin' - IanSF - 05-08-2011
flyingfox Wrote:Could a bullet cause a spark to ignitea tank of fuel?This was the subject of a 'Mythbusters' episode, using progressively higher velocity/calibre rounds and it took a gatling gun, firing tracer rounds to ignite the tank.
Brilliant replies.d
flyingfox Wrote:So even a machine gun would bounce off a tyre? Stand back, lol.It's a shame Mythbusters haven't been asked to debunk this one (or not as the case may be). It would make an interesting show.
Best film/s for accurate warfare / fighting / shootin' - nonquixote - 05-08-2011
The television show Shooting USA had a poll of AR15.com members to determine their list of the top 10 Hollywood shootouts. The results in reverse order:
10 The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly – The Final Shoot Out
9 Leon The Professional – The Entire Movie
8 Quigley Down Under – The Final Shoot Out
7 Band of Brothers – Assault on Brecourt Manor.
6 Tears of the Sun – The Final Battle
5 Ronin – Car Chase Shoot Out
4 We were Soldiers – The Battle in la Drang Valley
3 The Kingdom – The Final gun Battle with the Terrorists
2 Black Hawk Down – Gordon and Shughart Defend the Crew
1 Heat – The Bank Job Shoot Out
Not all of these were extremely realistic, the vote counted entertainment value as well as realism, but several were considered to be pretty realistically done, especially the military ones. i have seen and liked all of them, and have most on dvd.
Best film/s for accurate warfare / fighting / shootin' - Ken Valentine - 05-09-2011
flyingfox Wrote:So even a machine gun would bounce off a tyre? Stand back, lol.Probably not the side wall, but it would more than likely bounce off, if it was shot into the tread -- while the tire was spinning of course.
Ken V.