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a REAL secret history!!! - lexator222 - 03-02-2009
I just ran across this wedsite the other day, and it started me to thinking!
enterprisemission.com (And NO, it's not another Star Trek site!)
Every since I was young, I knew that there was a massive space between Mars and Jupiter! And, most people know that there is a giant ring of asteroids, that rotates around the sun, alot of debris, that sometimes hits one or more planets, like the three major sized chunks that collided with Jupiter a few years ago!
What this site is trying to explain is that perhaps this asteroid belt is actually the remains of two planets that collided! The accepted theory is that there was never any other planets in our solar system (as a matter of fact, we just lost a planet! Pluto is no longer a "planet") The accepted theory is that Mars cooled down too quickly after creation, and that is why it will not support life, and the core of Mars is unstable, and substandard, unlike Earth! Both Earth and Mars are tilted off of their axis, with the Earth tilting something like 1200 miles difference between magnetic north, and geographical north pole! Mars also has a tilt just like that. This site suggests that the impact of these two planets had caused the destruction of the astmosphere of Mars, and may have killed off any life that was resident there.
What hit me, was the fact that everyone knows the theory that sometime in the past, a giant comet or asteroid hit the Earth, and killed off all the Dinosaurs. Well, what if both events happened as a result of the impact of these two other planets?
We may have to redefine the historical timeline of Earth!
This site has alot of really good points about the damage to Mars, and the fact that the impact damage that is evident on the surface of Mars appears to have occured BEFORE the planet was tilted!
My thought was perhaps, both planets were tilted as a result of the impacts! It is strange to realize that the Earth and Mars are the only two planets in our solar system that tilt in this manner!
It really gives one pause to think!
Lexx
a REAL secret history!!! - Bluesman Mike Lindner - 03-02-2009
lexator222 Wrote:I just ran across this wedsite the other day, and it started me to thinking!
enterprisemission.com (And NO, it's not another Star Trek site!)
Every since I was young, I knew that there was a massive space between Mars and Jupiter! And, most people know that there is a giant ring of asteroids, that rotates around the sun, alot of debris, that sometimes hits one or more planets, like the three major sized chunks that collided with Jupiter a few years ago!
What this site is trying to explain is that perhaps this asteroid belt is actually the remains of two planets that collided! The accepted theory is that there was never any other planets in our solar system (as a matter of fact, we just lost a planet! Pluto is no longer a "planet") The accepted theory is that Mars cooled down too quickly after creation, and that is why it will not support life, and the core of Mars is unstable, and substandard, unlike Earth! Both Earth and Mars are tilted off of their axis, with the Earth tilting something like 1200 miles difference between magnetic north, and geographical north pole! Mars also has a tilt just like that. This site suggests that the impact of these two planets had caused the destruction of the astmosphere of Mars, and may have killed off any life that was resident there.
What hit me, was the fact that everyone knows the theory that sometime in the past, a giant comet or asteroid hit the Earth, and killed off all the Dinosaurs. Well, what if both events happened as a result of the impact of these two other planets?
We may have to redefine the historical timeline of Earth!
This site has alot of really good points about the damage to Mars, and the fact that the impact damage that is evident on the surface of Mars appears to have occured BEFORE the planet was tilted!
My thought was perhaps, both planets were tilted as a result of the impacts! It is strange to realize that the Earth and Mars are the only two planets in our solar system that tilt in this manner!
It really gives one pause to think!
Lexx
I have never heard such monsterous jive, Lexx! Are you channeling Velikovsky here? It is =well= established the dinosaurs wised-up, built starships, and made their getaway. That's right!
a REAL secret history!!! - Legion - 03-02-2009
Bluesman Mike Lindner Wrote:I have never heard such monsterous jive, Lexx! Are you channeling Velikovsky here? It is =well= established the dinosaurs wised-up, built starships, and made their getaway. That's right!
I saw that episode of Star Trek Voyager too.
a REAL secret history!!! - Bluesman Mike Lindner - 03-02-2009
Legion Wrote:I saw that episode of Star Trek Voyager too.
They ripped that off from my privately-published book, THE DINOSAURS WISED-UP, BUILT STARSHIPS, AND MADE THEIR GETAWAY--THAT'S RIGHT!
I have not seen a dime, Legion. Not one fucking dime. As always, the well-dressed men prosper and the visionaries are on the street without a bite to eat. It's enough to make you a fucked-up Commie.
a REAL secret history!!! - lexator222 - 03-02-2009
Okay, I've done a little homework on this subject, and have come up with a conclusion!
Here's a reprint:
A new study claiming to be the definite proof that the dinosaurs were wiped out by the asteroid impact that shook the Earth 65 million years ago has sparked new controversy. Other scientists accuse the team of "ignoring scientific methods", making claims with "no basis in fact" and "circular reasoning".
There are two main controversies: One is whether the dinosaurs were killed by an extraordinary event and the other one concerns the nature of the extraordinary event.
Some scientists claim that most dinosaurs died out simply because they didn't manage to adapt to the changing climate, which was increasingly cold. Others say that maybe their immune system didn't manage to keep pace with the development of more and more deadly microbes. In this context, more complex animals, such as mammals and birds, which were not cold blooded and thus could adapt more easily to a cold climate, and which had superior immune systems, eventually replaced dinosaurs. Being big was no longer an asset either, because as the climate got colder, plants got scarcer.
However, some scientists claim that the disappearance of dinosaurs was too sudden to be explained by "trivial" causes. They may agree that the climate change and maybe the dinosaur's primitive immune system may have had a contribution. But still, an extraordinary event is needed to explain such extraordinary large scale extinctions.
There are two main candidates:
Asteroid impact theory
In 1980 the American father-and-son team of Profs Luis and Walter Alvarez proposed the disaster movie scenario after studying a thin layer of sulphurous clay in Gubbio, Italy. In 1991 the Chixculub impact structure was discovered. This is a large basin more than 300 kilometers wide, centered on the Yucatan peninsula in Mexico, and it is estimated to be the outcome of an asteroid impact 65 million years ago. Could an asteroid impact have effects on global scale? According to geological findings, yes. The rock layers corresponding to the same period have a high level of iridium, which is rare on Earth, but relatively common in asteroids. Thus, it appears that the asteroid has indeed had effects on global scale. But was it responsible for the demise of the dinosaurs?
The problem is that dinosaurs didn't vanish on such a short notice - a fossil record shows they disappeared gradually over millions of years. Such a time-scale is more correlated with changes of climate and geology. Moreover, many dinosaurs as well as other species disappeared long before the actual asteroid impact.
Volcano theory
As Himalayas grew, with the Indian peninsula pushing hard against the Asian Continent, intense volcanic activities took place. Over one million years three major episodes of vast volcanic activities happened. Some argue that these events provoked the climate change. More over, they were responsible for the ejection into the atmosphere of vast amounts of cadmium, nickel and selenium, which are toxic in large amounts.
Now, tensions are high on the on CCNet, a scholarly electronic network, over a paper published in the Sedimentary Geology journal by Peter Schulte of the Universitt Erlangen-Nrnberg and colleagues, Robert Speijer, Hartmut Mai and Agnes Kontny. The authors claim having "unequivocal" evidence that debris and "ejecta" sent out by the impact coincides with the timing of the mass extinction.
Their argument is the following: There is something geologists call the K-T boundary. The rocks beneath the K-T boundary have dinosaur fossils, the ones above don't. The German scientists have analyzed the chemistry of the clay below the K-T boundary and found "no evidence that Chicxulub [impact] predated the K-P (K-T) boundary and allows for unequivocal positioning of the K-P (K-T) boundary at the event deposit".
The evidence is clear-cut. "Not at all!" say other scientists on CCNet. For instance Prof Gerta Keller of Princeton University even accused the team of "ignoring scientific methods", making claims with "no basis in fact" and "circular reasoning".
Angela Milner, of the Natural History Museum, London, said for the London Daily Telegraph on the issue of dinosaur's extinction: "There is absolutely no consensus as to whether there was a sole cause and what it was. The feud does not involve people who work on dinosaurs, but sedimentologists and hard rock geologists."
As the London Daily Telegraph further remarked: "The only thing that everyone can agree on is that the dinosaurs became extinct."
From Wikipedia:
The Chicxulub Crater (IPA: [tʃikʃuˈlub]) is an ancient impact crater buried underneath the Yucatán Peninsula in Mexico.[1] Its center is located near the town of Chicxulub, after which the crater is named—as well as the rough translation of the Mayan name, "the tail of the devil."[2] The crater is more than 180 kilometers (110 mi) in diameter, making the feature one of the largest confirmed impact structures in the world; the impacting bolide that formed the crater was at least 10 km (6 mi) in diameter.
The crater was discovered by Glen Penfield, a geophysicist who had been working in the Yucatán while looking for oil during the late 1970s. Evidence for the impact origin of the crater includes shocked quartz, a gravity anomaly, and tektites in surrounding areas. The age of the rocks and isotope analysis show that this impact structure dates from the end of the Cretaceous Period, roughly 65 million years ago. The impact associated with the crater is implicated in causing the extinction of the dinosaurs as suggested by the K–T boundary, although some critics argue that the impact was not the sole reason[3] and others debate whether there was a single impact or whether the Chicxulub impactor was one of several that may have struck the Earth at around the same time. Recent evidence suggests that the impactor may have been a piece of a much larger asteroid that broke up in a collision in distant space more than 160 million years ago
Apparently, the one thing we really know, is that we know nothing at all! They cannot even agree on who discovered the impact site, and when!!!! Oh, well, I guess that it's really not worth the hassel, I just thought that it was interesting.
Lexx
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a REAL secret history!!! - lexator222 - 03-02-2009
Okay, I've done a little homework on this subject, and have come up with a conclusion!
Here's a reprint:
A new study claiming to be the definite proof that the dinosaurs were wiped out by the asteroid impact that shook the Earth 65 million years ago has sparked new controversy. Other scientists accuse the team of "ignoring scientific methods", making claims with "no basis in fact" and "circular reasoning".
There are two main controversies: One is whether the dinosaurs were killed by an extraordinary event and the other one concerns the nature of the extraordinary event.
Some scientists claim that most dinosaurs died out simply because they didn't manage to adapt to the changing climate, which was increasingly cold. Others say that maybe their immune system didn't manage to keep pace with the development of more and more deadly microbes. In this context, more complex animals, such as mammals and birds, which were not cold blooded and thus could adapt more easily to a cold climate, and which had superior immune systems, eventually replaced dinosaurs. Being big was no longer an asset either, because as the climate got colder, plants got scarcer.
However, some scientists claim that the disappearance of dinosaurs was too sudden to be explained by "trivial" causes. They may agree that the climate change and maybe the dinosaur's primitive immune system may have had a contribution. But still, an extraordinary event is needed to explain such extraordinary large scale extinctions.
There are two main candidates:
Asteroid impact theory
In 1980 the American father-and-son team of Profs Luis and Walter Alvarez proposed the disaster movie scenario after studying a thin layer of sulphurous clay in Gubbio, Italy. In 1991 the Chixculub impact structure was discovered. This is a large basin more than 300 kilometers wide, centered on the Yucatan peninsula in Mexico, and it is estimated to be the outcome of an asteroid impact 65 million years ago. Could an asteroid impact have effects on global scale? According to geological findings, yes. The rock layers corresponding to the same period have a high level of iridium, which is rare on Earth, but relatively common in asteroids. Thus, it appears that the asteroid has indeed had effects on global scale. But was it responsible for the demise of the dinosaurs?
The problem is that dinosaurs didn't vanish on such a short notice - a fossil record shows they disappeared gradually over millions of years. Such a time-scale is more correlated with changes of climate and geology. Moreover, many dinosaurs as well as other species disappeared long before the actual asteroid impact.
Volcano theory
As Himalayas grew, with the Indian peninsula pushing hard against the Asian Continent, intense volcanic activities took place. Over one million years three major episodes of vast volcanic activities happened. Some argue that these events provoked the climate change. More over, they were responsible for the ejection into the atmosphere of vast amounts of cadmium, nickel and selenium, which are toxic in large amounts.
Now, tensions are high on the on CCNet, a scholarly electronic network, over a paper published in the Sedimentary Geology journal by Peter Schulte of the Universitt Erlangen-Nrnberg and colleagues, Robert Speijer, Hartmut Mai and Agnes Kontny. The authors claim having "unequivocal" evidence that debris and "ejecta" sent out by the impact coincides with the timing of the mass extinction.
Their argument is the following: There is something geologists call the K-T boundary. The rocks beneath the K-T boundary have dinosaur fossils, the ones above don't. The German scientists have analyzed the chemistry of the clay below the K-T boundary and found "no evidence that Chicxulub [impact] predated the K-P (K-T) boundary and allows for unequivocal positioning of the K-P (K-T) boundary at the event deposit".
The evidence is clear-cut. "Not at all!" say other scientists on CCNet. For instance Prof Gerta Keller of Princeton University even accused the team of "ignoring scientific methods", making claims with "no basis in fact" and "circular reasoning".
Angela Milner, of the Natural History Museum, London, said for the London Daily Telegraph on the issue of dinosaur's extinction: "There is absolutely no consensus as to whether there was a sole cause and what it was. The feud does not involve people who work on dinosaurs, but sedimentologists and hard rock geologists."
As the London Daily Telegraph further remarked: "The only thing that everyone can agree on is that the dinosaurs became extinct."
From Wikipedia:
The Chicxulub Crater (IPA: [tʃikʃuˈlub]) is an ancient impact crater buried underneath the Yucatán Peninsula in Mexico.[1] Its center is located near the town of Chicxulub, after which the crater is named—as well as the rough translation of the Mayan name, "the tail of the devil."[2] The crater is more than 180 kilometers (110 mi) in diameter, making the feature one of the largest confirmed impact structures in the world; the impacting bolide that formed the crater was at least 10 km (6 mi) in diameter.
The crater was discovered by Glen Penfield, a geophysicist who had been working in the Yucatán while looking for oil during the late 1970s. Evidence for the impact origin of the crater includes shocked quartz, a gravity anomaly, and tektites in surrounding areas. The age of the rocks and isotope analysis show that this impact structure dates from the end of the CretaceousPeriod, roughly 65 million years ago. The impact associated with the crater is implicated in causing the extinction of the dinosaurs as suggested by the K–T boundary, although some critics argue that the impact was not the sole reason[3] and others debate whether there was a single impact or whether the Chicxulub impactor was one of several that may have struck the Earth at around the same time. Recent evidence suggests that the impactor may have been a piece of a much larger asteroid that broke up in a collision in distant space more than 160 million years ago
Apparently, the one thing we really know, is that we know nothing at all! They cannot even agree on who discovered the impact site, and when!!!! Oh, well, I guess that it's really not worth the hassel, I just thought that it was interesting.
Lexx