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Fahrenheit 9/11 - jimbow8 - 07-03-2004
sublime1983 Wrote:Yes, you are right. Again, I am not an english major and I make those simple mistakes. But doesn't everyone? Why do we need to start these grammar wars?We start wars because we can; its the American way. :p
Seriously, what better way to learn than to be constantly corrected.
Fahrenheit 9/11 - sublime1983 - 07-03-2004
Marc B. Wrote:You have to admit that of all our President's Bush is not the brightest one.
Well, he is smarter then everyone is leading on. He graduated from Yale. And don't start all this, "badly, and it was only because of whom his dad was." You don't hear me attacking Kerry's education. I'm not saying he only graduated because of his rich family. Why? Because I don't think it had anything to do with it. So Bush says words wrong. Who doesn't? And who should really care? Unless you are looking for reasons to bash someone, anunciation shouldn't be involved. I do agree, he isn't the smartest, but he isn't the dumbest, either.
Fahrenheit 9/11 - thisisatest - 07-03-2004
sublime1983 Wrote:Yes, you are right. Again, I am not an english major and I make those simple mistakes. But doesn't everyone? Why do we need to start these grammar wars?
Steve D
As long as I can remember (since I was a baby lurker on the last board), there have always been grammar wars. Usually, it was amongst the "regulars" (those with high fiber in their diet and a love for FPW), but as newbies came to become Senior Members, they, too, became targets. I stopped correcting spelling and grammar errors when I started posting on this new improved??? board. It distracts from the post and detracts from the thread. I say, unless the thread is about specific questions on grammar, spelling, and vocabulary, let's call a truce to this war and stick to the topic at hand. Besides, a private email would be more diplomatic, as opposed to doing the nyah-nyah correction in front of the whole board and God and FPW. My two cents (yes, I know this be a fragment and all, but I've got me one of dem poetical licenseses, y'hear?).
Fahrenheit 9/11 - sublime1983 - 07-03-2004
Ken Valentine Wrote:"Conservatives" are always attacking others. And as far as Reagan is concerned, he was at best a mediocre president. He talked good libertarian talk, but like all republican presidents in the last half century, he still governed like a democrat.
Your wrong. It's Conservative nature to do things the ole' fashion way. We don't go on the Daily Show and start bashing others. We aren't on MTv talking about how the other party is stupid. I never understood why I was always on the defensive until a friend of mine that is a firsty and the USNA explained to me that it is just our nature. Makes a lot of sense.
Ken Valentine Wrote:This makes absolutely no sense at all. What are you talking about?
The green party is very radical. Extremely far left. They don't agree with anything that a Republican has to say. You don't get the same thing from a Republican. Why? Because when it makes sense to us, we don't let our ego's get in the way. And thats a fact. We don't have radical Right Winged parties like the Green Party.
Ken Valentine Wrote:David Duke is a republican. Traditionally, a conservative is someone who wants to conserve the status quo. Perhaps you have a different definition.
"Belief in the value of free markets, limited government, and individual self-reliance in economic affairs, combined with a belief in the value of tradition, law and morality in social affairs." -Dr. Thomas Dye
A saying that has become pretty popular at the academy is "Life, liberty and the pursuit of those who threaten it."
I'm sorry, I don't know who David Duke is, so you lost me on that one.
Ken Valentine Wrote:You gave no definition.
Wow, what happend with you? You were fine and now you seem to have jumped all over me. Seems that I spoke too soon about the treatment. My definition had something to do with us being the attacked. We are not the political aggressors. We may want to attack other countries that want to destroy us, but we don't go around pointing fingers at the Ds. I didn't go into too much because I don't feel like writing a book with every post but it seems that I need to in order to please you.
Ken Valentine Wrote:Who is they?
Considering I can't go back and see my original quote, I think the "they" was Conservatives. But you didn't give me anymore to tell you right now. I will go back and correct if I'm wrong.
[QUOTE=Ken Valentine]How can you be positive about anything if you consider checking for facts a waste of time?
Ken V.
Wow, you really like to put words in people's mouth. Ok, so you are a Nazi. You are a Hitler supporter. Why do I say that? Because you said that he wasn't evil and that we should have let him go into war. You said that we should have never gotten involved. You said that England should have let Hitler do what he wanted because he wasn't bad. Now, I may have put a couple words in your mouth. Go back and read what I said. I said that Hitler was evil. If you wanted to give him more time to prove it, think of how many others would have died. But to prove your point, you used a Moore technique. You chopped up the meaing of my quote to your benefit. Very sad.
Reagan was a great president...I had a bunch of other stuff on here to tell you why he was a great President, but I deleted it. I did so because I got emotional and got close to calling you names. It disturbs me that someone could call the best president of all time "at best, mediocre." What that means is that you will refuse to believe that Reagan was a great president. You ignore everything he had done, or never learned it, so that you can call him this. I beg that you read up on him a little. Both sides. I recommend starting with Hannity's new book, Deliver us from Evil. He had a section talking about Reagan that, if you actually read it, you would feel very different about him. You will see what he was up against. Plus, there is a fact checker in the book if you think that he is just lying his way through it.
Fahrenheit 9/11 - sublime1983 - 07-03-2004
jimbow8 Wrote:I'll try to find it
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some time be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. -- Humanitarian Theory of Punishment - C.S. Lewis
All democracies turn into dictatorships-but not by coup. The people give their democracy to a dictator, whether it's Julius Caesar or Napoleon or Adolf Hitler. Ultimately, the general population goes along with the idea...What kinds of things push people and institutions into this direction? -- Interview, Time, April 21, 2002, about Attack of the Clones - George Lucas
I can give quotes, too. Hehe.
"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph."
-Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, 1780
I never really cared for Paine until this reading. I read it about a year ago now and began to like him. My professor tried force feeding me Thoreau but I spit it back and attacked his thinking. She was an old hippie but nice enough. We got along when we weren't talking about her dreams of chaos (thats what I thought Thoreau wanted).
"We exhibit to mankind the remarkable spectcle of a people attacked by unprovoked enemies, without any imputation or even suspicion of offence...In our own native land, in defence of the freedom that is our birthright, and which we ever enjoyed till the late violation of it: for the protection of our property, acquired solely by the honest industry of our forefathers and ourselves, against violence actually offered, we have taken up arms. We shall lay them down when hostilities shall cease on the part of the aggressors, and all danger of their being renewed shall be removed, and not before."
-Thomas Jefferson Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms July 6, 1775
One may say, "we are the aggressors." We are because we have to be. We shouldn't be put in the situation of having the first line of defense being our borders. The "danger" exists. These tyrants exist. They need to be "removed" from power.
Fahrenheit 9/11 - sublime1983 - 07-03-2004
jimbow8 Wrote:We start wars because we can; its the American way. :p
Seriously, what better way to learn than to be constantly corrected.
True, but its embarassing. I have given up on correcting others because it seems that it is a cheap way to be the better.
Fahrenheit 9/11 - Scott Miller - 07-03-2004
sublime1983 Wrote:Yes, you are right. Again, I am not an english major and I make those simple mistakes. But doesn't everyone? Why do we need to start these grammar wars?
I wasn't trying to start a war, I thought I was correcting Jim, a grammar nazi, and realized too late that he wasn't the poster. I make far too many mistakes to get involved in a long, drawn out grammar war that I will inevitably lose.
Welcome aboard.
Scott
P.S. No offense towards Jim intended.
Fahrenheit 9/11 - jimbow8 - 07-03-2004
sublime1983 Wrote:Your wrong. It's Conservative nature to do things the ole' fashion way. We don't go on the Daily Show and start bashing others. We aren't on MTv talking about how the other party is stupid. I never understood why I was always on the defensive until a friend of mine that is a firsty and the USNA explained to me that it is just our nature. Makes a lot of sense.I listen to Limbaugh nearly every day and usually have to turn it off because he is constantly making personal attacks against Liberals. My favorite was when he got violently angry against commentators who "attacked" Bush for stammering through answers at a press conference (I think it was the latest one - months ago) and then immediately turned around and attacked another reporter who stammered and stuttered through a question. He constantly spews on about how stupid liberal are. So PLEASE don't say that Conservatives don't do it. Your Flagbearer, Rush, does it every day.
sublime1983 Wrote:The green party is very radical. Extremely far left. They don't agree with anything that a Republican has to say. You don't get the same thing from a Republican. Why? Because when it makes sense to us, we don't let our ego's get in the way. And thats a fact. We don't have radical Right Winged parties like the Green Party.The Christian Coalition, the Moral Majority, there are a plethora of radical right wing groups.
sublime1983 Wrote:"Belief in the value of free markets, limited government, and individual self-reliance in economic affairs, combined with a belief in the value of tradition, law and morality in social affairs." -Dr. Thomas DyeIf conservatives are all about these things, why are there new trade restrictions, a new DEPARTMENT of the government, increased spending. Even your hero, Reagan, promised to abolish two federal departments and then instead created an extra one. They talk the talk, but they don't walk the walk.
sublime1983 Wrote:A saying that has become pretty popular at the academy is "Life, liberty and the pursuit of those who threaten it."Do a quick Google or Yahoo! search.
I'm sorry, I don't know who David Duke is, so you lost me on that one.
sublime1983 Wrote:Wow, what happend with you? You were fine and now you seem to have jumped all over me. Seems that I spoke too soon about the treatment. My definition had something to do with us being the attacked. We are not the political aggressors. We may want to attack other countries that want to destroy us, but we don't go around pointing fingers at the Ds. I didn't go into too much because I don't feel like writing a book with every post but it seems that I need to in order to please you.
News Flash! We were the attackers not the attacked. Forced Democratization does not work. One gains freedom and Democracy by fighting for it not by getting it handed to you or forced upon you.[/quote]
sublime1983 Wrote:Wow, you really like to put words in people's mouth. Ok, so you are a Nazi. You are a Hitler supporter. Why do I say that? Because you said that he wasn't evil and that we should have let him go into war. You said that we should have never gotten involved. You said that England should have let Hitler do what he wanted because he wasn't bad. Now, I may have put a couple words in your mouth. Go back and read what I said. I said that Hitler was evil. If you wanted to give him more time to prove it, think of how many others would have died. But to prove your point, you used a Moore technique. You chopped up the meaing of my quote to your benefit. Very sad.I think you may have opened a floodgate here by calling Ken a Nazi! Be Warned.
sublime1983 Wrote:Reagan was a great president...I had a bunch of other stuff on here to tell you why he was a great President, but I deleted it. I did so because I got emotional and got close to calling you names. It disturbs me that someone could call the best president of all time "at best, mediocre." What that means is that you will refuse to believe that Reagan was a great president. You ignore everything he had done, or never learned it, so that you can call him this. I beg that you read up on him a little. Both sides. I recommend starting with Hannity's new book, Deliver us from Evil. He had a section talking about Reagan that, if you actually read it, you would feel very different about him. You will see what he was up against. Plus, there is a fact checker in the book if you think that he is just lying his way through it."Reagan was a great President." That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. It DOES NOT in any way shape or form make it fact. (You need to stop using the word "fact" so much.) Did he do some great thing? I'm sure he did. Did he do some terrible things? Yes, he did that also. How about sending weapons to Iran and Iraq which helped cause this whole mess we're in in the first place? How about supporting the creation of what would become the Taliban in Afghanistan in order to help fight the Soviets? The support of the "freedom fighters" of Central America? Need I go on?
Fahrenheit 9/11 - sublime1983 - 07-03-2004
jimbow8 Wrote:I listen to Limbaugh nearly every day and usually have to turn it off because he is constantly making personal attacks against Liberals. My favorite was when he got violently angry against commentators who "attacked" Bush for stammering through answers at a press conference (I think it was the latest one - months ago) and then immediately turned around and attacked another reporter who stammered and stuttered through a question. He constantly spews on about how stupid liberal are. So PLEASE don't say that Conservatives don't do it. Your Flagbearer, Rush, does it every day.
YOU ARE RIGHT. HANNITY, RUSH, COULTER, O'RIELY. THEY ARE ALL LOUD. BUT THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET WHEN YOU FLIP TO THEIR CHANNEL. MY POINT IS THAT WE AREN'T FINDING WAYS OTHER THEN OUR OWN SHOWS TO PUBLICALLY BASH THE OTHER SIDE. WE AREN'T GOING OUT OF OUR WAY TO CALL NAMES. I DON'T LISTEN TO WHAT RUSH OR O'REILY HAVE TO SAY, AND HANNITY FOR THAT MATTER, BUT I READ WHAT THEY WRITE. NOT A FAN OF TALK RADIO.
jimbow8 Wrote:The Christian Coalition, the Moral Majority, there are a plethora of radical right wing groups.
BUT THE GREEN PARTY ARE DEFINETLY LOUDER THEN THE CHRISTIAN COALITION. THERE IS NOONE MAKING MOVIES ABOUT WHY THE MUSLIMS ARE LIARS AND WHY ABORTION DOCTORS ARE GONNA ROT IN HELL. I AM FOR A LOSS OF WORDS HERE. I CAN'T REALLY EXPLAIN WHAT IM THINKING OF RIGHT NOW. UMMM, UNLESS THERE IS SOME KIND OF ABORTION RALLY, THEY AREN'T IN THE NEWS. PLUS, YOU DON'T SEE ANY CHRISTIAN COALITION CANDIDATES. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE BIG ONE. THERE IS NO RALPH NADER RUNNING AGAINST THE REPUBLICANS.
jimbow8 Wrote:If conservatives are all about these things, why are there new trade restrictions, a new DEPARTMENT of the government, increased spending. Even your hero, Reagan, promised to abolish two federal departments and then instead created an extra one. They talk the talk, but they don't walk the walk.
REAGAN SHOULD BE YOUR HERO, TOO. UNLESS YOU LIKE BEING NUKED OR UNDER COMMIE CONTROL. THATS WHERE OUR COUNTRY WAS HEADING.
YOU ARE RIGHT. I THOUGHT I HAD EXPLAINED THAT FULLER. THE TRADITIONAL VALUES THING WOULD PROBABLY BE THE KEY. BEYOND THAT, I DON'T CARE. I CONSIDER MYSELF A CONSERVATIVE ONLY BECAUSE WHAT CONSERVATIVES DO AND SAY, I TEND TO AGREE WITH. I AM NO TEXT-BOOK CONSERVATIVE.
jimbow8 Wrote:News Flash! We were the attackers not the attacked. Forced Democratization does not work. One gains freedom and Democracy by fighting for it not by getting it handed to you or forced upon you.
I WAS TALKING ABOUT "US," THE REPUBLICANS NOT "US," AMERICA.
jimbow8 Wrote:I think you may have opened a floodgate here by calling Ken a Nazi! Be Warned.
I DIDN'T CALL HIM A NAZI. WHAT I WAS DOING WAS PUTTING WORDS IN HIS MOUTH. I HAD EVEN SAID THAT I WAS PUTTING WORDS IN HIS MOUTH. I DID THAT BECAUSE HE HAD PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. JUST RETURNING THE FAVOR.
jimbow8 Wrote:"Reagan was a great President." That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. It DOES NOT in any way shape or form make it fact. (You need to stop using the word "fact" so much.) Did he do some great thing? I'm sure he did. Did he do some terrible things? Yes, he did that also. How about sending weapons to Iran and Iraq which helped cause this whole mess we're in in the first place? How about supporting the creation of what would become the Taliban in Afghanistan in order to help fight the Soviets? The support of the "freedom fighters" of Central America? Need I go on?
YOUR FACTS AREN'T TOGETHER ON THIS ONE BUD. HE DID WHAT WAS NECCESSARY. CARTER ALLOWED THE IATOLLAH (sp) TO TAKE OVER. HE COULD HAVE STEPPED IN AND PREVENTED IT BUT HE DIDN'T. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT HE TOLD THE SHAH (OR WHATEVER ITS CALLED) TO DO NOTHING. SO, HE WAS KNOCKED OUT OF POWER AND THE BIGGEST ANTI-AMERICAN PERSON IN HISTORY TOOK OVER. WHEN REAGAN BECAME PRESIDENT, HE NEEDED TO PREVENT IRAN FROM GETTING MORE POWERFUL. OTHERWISE, THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST WOULD BE ONE GIANT EVIL IRAN. SO, WE ASSISTED IRAQ AND HUSSIEN. LESSOR OF TWO EVILS. HE NEVER SENT WEAPONS TO IRAN UNLESS THEY WERE GOING TO IRAQIS (I have since been corrected).
AGAIN, LESSOR OF TWO EVILS. THE COMMIE SOVIETS WERE REAGAN'S MAIN OBJECTIVE. HE WANTED THEM OUT OF POWER MORE THEN ANYTHING ELSE. WHY, BECAUSE THEY HAD THE POWER TO END THE WORLD WHICH HAS AMERICA ON IT. SO WHY WOULD HE LET THEM GET BIGGER? IT DEFINETLY ISN'T IN OUR NATIONAL INTEREST.
YOU ARE GETTING YOUR FACTS FROM SOME LEFT-WINGED SOURCE THAT ISN'T TELLING YOU HOW IT REALLY WAS. ITS LIKE WATCHING STAR WARS ONE AND TWO BUT NOT THREE. YOU THINK THAT DARTH IS TRUELY EVIL. THERE IS ANOTHER PART TO IT THAT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IF YOU DIDN'T CONTINUE. WHEN IS THE STAR WARS MOVIES COMING OUT ON DVD? ARE THEY WAITING FOR ALL OF THEM TO FINISH IN THE THEATER OR SOMETHING? I DON'T FOLLOW THIS STUFF CLOSELY, SO I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
Fahrenheit 9/11 - Noelie - 07-03-2004
Quote:HE NEVER SENT WEAPONS TO IRAN UNLESS THEY WERE GOING TO IRAQIS
I'm sorry, what? Do you remember the Iran-Contra mess? Those weapons didn't go to Iraqis, they went to Iran to FIGHT the Iraqis.