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Just to end the argument.... - RichE - 11-19-2007
I always saw the character of Hammond as the original outsider-an immortal that looks, acts and has human functions but Not human. Marvel really didn't really invest in him the way they did with Cap, X Men or even The Vision. Hopefully they will bring him back down the road and give him his due.
Just to end the argument.... - Bluesman Mike Lindner - 11-19-2007
RichE Wrote:I always saw the character of Hammond as the original outsider-an immortal that looks, acts and has human functions but Not human. Marvel really didn't really invest in him the way they did with Cap, X Men or even The Vision. Hopefully they will bring him back down the road and give him his due.
"Hammond," Rich? Clue me in.
Just to end the argument.... - RichE - 11-19-2007
Bluesman Mike Lindner Wrote:"Hammond," Rich? Clue me in.Jim Hammond-The Original Human Torch was the first Marvel Hero-an android that was a total copy of a human except he had the power to flame.
They brought him back in the early 90's (the Vision was a clone of him) but Marvel really didn't invest him in and kept him in the background. It's too bad as he could have been written as a very complex being trying to fit in to society (I always saw him becoming the father figure to Peter Parker-another outsider-who know's his iden. with Parker going to him for advice on life in general).
Just to end the argument.... - Bluesman Mike Lindner - 11-19-2007
RichE Wrote:Jim Hammond-The Original Human Torch was the first Marvel Hero-an android that was a total copy of a human except he had the power to flame.
They brought him back in the early 90's (the Vision was a clone of him) but Marvel really didn't invest him in and kept him in the background. It's too bad as he could have been written as a very complex being trying to fit in to society (I always saw him becoming the father figure to Peter Parker-another outsider-who know's his iden. with Parker going to him for advice on life in general).
Good info, Rich, thanks. Maybe his place, as a very complex being trying to fit into society was taken by Ben Grimm?
Just to end the argument.... - RichE - 11-19-2007
Except that Ben, despite his appearance, was human. Hammond, despite his friendship with Steve Rogers, was always written as 'that other guy' or 'that imitation'. In many ways Jim was a good-looking Frankenstein Monster.
Just to end the argument.... - Bluesman Mike Lindner - 11-19-2007
RichE Wrote:Except that Ben, despite his appearance, was human. Hammond, despite his friendship with Steve Rogers, was always written as 'that other guy' or 'that imitation'. In many ways Jim was a good-looking Frankenstein Monster.
Ah. Gotcha. Did Hammond, like Data, =want= to be acknowledged as human?
Just to end the argument.... - jacobm - 11-19-2007
fpw Wrote:[SIZE="3"]First off, they wear spandex...
Second, they wear spandex...
Third, you'll never hear me in an argument over whether the Asp could beat Punjab in a fight...
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REAL PEOPLE!!!![/SIZE]
They're not? Wow, what a buzzkill...
Just to end the argument.... - Bluesman Mike Lindner - 11-19-2007
jacobm Wrote:They're not? Wow, what a buzzkill...
Jacobm, we must remember Paul has =many= fine qualities as a man and a fictioneer. It wasn't his fault he was rejected by the FF and the Avengers at an early age...
Just to end the argument.... - RichE - 11-19-2007
fpw Wrote:[SIZE="3"]First off, they wear spandex...
Second, they wear spandex...
Third, you'll never hear me in an argument over whether the Asp could beat Punjab in a fight...
BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REAL PEOPLE!!!![/SIZE]
Neither is Jack, Gia, Vicky, Abe and the rest of the gang we all love. The point here is that any person of fiction comes alive if we have creators who infuse life in them. For myself, I love complex characters of fiction - Jim Hammond for example. People like Jim or Jack are the outsiders and we who are pretty mainstream would love to get inside thier heads and view them with the viewpoint of "What If?".
My beef with Marvel was the creation of 20th Century myth icons but someone decided to play it safe and create bland PC images for the most part.
Just to end the argument.... - Bluesman Mike Lindner - 11-19-2007
RichE Wrote:Neither is Jack, Gia, Vicky, Abe and the rest of the gang we all love. The point here is that any person of fiction comes alive if we have creators who infuse life in them. For myself, I love complex characters of fiction - Jim Hammond for example. People like Jim or Jack are the outsiders and we who are pretty mainstream would love to get inside thier heads and view them with the viewpoint of "What If?".
My beef with Marvel was the creation of 20th Century myth icons but someone decided to play it safe and create bland PC images for the most part.
Don't quite understand, Rich. "Someone decided to play it safe..." Who? Why?