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Jack in LA - pocket carry - KRW - 08-16-2008
Ken Valentine Wrote:I have one that's chambered in .22 Magnum, and I remember shooting it one time back in the late '60's when it was nearly dark. Somebody came up to me and asked if I was shooting a .44 Magnum -- it was so loud, and the muzzle flash was so bright.
I have another one chambered in 38 Special, and the recoil is fairly mild.
Ken V.
Personally, I don't think Jack will settle for a derringer. That being said, It would be nice to see him carry a Semmerling again. Like I said, it doesn't have to be the same one. It would be neat.
Jack in LA - pocket carry - Ken Valentine - 08-16-2008
KRW Wrote:Personally, I don't think Jack will settle for a derringer.I don't either. But if small is the primary consideration, and you think two shots would do the job -- any job -- which is not very realistic, a derringer would definitely fit the bill. I got my .22 mag derringer back around 1968, and I bought it just because it was fun, and it went along with my first pistol which was a Ruger single six convertable -- .22/.22 mag.
Quote: That being said, It would be nice to see him carry a Semmerling again. Like I said, it doesn't have to be the same one. It would be neat.It would, but Semmerlings are Gawd-awful expensive, and in a situation where you have to shoot more than one time, fast, the Semmerling is almost a handicap. Especially when there are guns out there like the Kahr-40 Micro. I have a couple of Kahr's (no Micro's) and I like them.
Ken V.
Jack in LA - pocket carry - MackBolan - 08-16-2008
Why doesn"t RJ uses his .38 Special that he usually carries on his left
ankle?
Or an Colt officer"s .45 ACP behind his back.
Jack in LA - pocket carry - Legion - 08-16-2008
MackBolan Wrote:Why doesn"t RJ uses his .38 Special that he usually carries on his left
ankle?
Or an Colt officer"s .45 ACP behind his back.
By Colt officer"s .45 ACP I pesume you mean the 1911. One simple reason. Those guns are huge, even if carried behind the back. Straight from Ray, my Abe, "you might as well be carrying a broadsword". And he is right. I carried an M1911 across country when I was young and stupid. Even stupider was the fact that this weapon is worth ALOT of dough. Its my grandfathers service piece from WWII. He paid somebody off ( as he did with almost everything back in those days. lol) to keep that. He kept it in pristine shape, then eventually gave it to me. They are beautiful weapons, but so unpractical even for a tactical holster.
Plus there are SO many different handguns and revolvers available now it's like going to the candy store with $100.00 and insisting on keeping the gum in your mouth.
And I don't remember Jack carrying a 38 special. The only 38 I remember him carrying was the one he took off those Three Card Monte grifters he shook down.
Jack in LA - pocket carry - Legion - 08-16-2008
Ken Valentine Wrote:That's not uncommon. The Colt's model 1911 -- which was originally designed and chambered for the 45ACP cartridge -- is also chambered in 38 Super, 40 S&W, 9X21, 9X23, 10mm, and even 9mm. And probably other cartridges as well. All the differences are internal. The recoil spring for the 9mm would be too weak for the 40S&W cartridge, and the spring for the 40 would be too heavy for the 9mm cartridge.
What internal safety? The Glocks I've seen had only a trigger block -- which is in the actual trigger itself -- as a safety. In my mind, that's not much of a safety, and that's why the NYPD had extra heavy triggers installed on the Glocks used by their officers -- after a number of officers had shot themselves because they placed their fingers on the trigger when drawing their guns.
It's an auto loader, just like any other auto loader.Has anybody ever said that the Glock is a double action? If so, I've never heard of it. The Glock doesn't even have a hammer -- internal or otherwise. What it does have is a "striker," much like the striker on a bolt action rifle.
You could call it an automatic repeater, but auto loader is what I call it/them -- automatic for short. Basically, they all function the same way. You fire a round and the recoil impulse causes the slide to move backward, which extracts the spent case from the barrel and ejects it from the gun, when the slide moves forward again, (by means of the recoil spring) it strips a round from the magazine and pushes it into the chamber. Then you have to release the trigger so that the internals can reset (there's a "disconnector" inside the gun which "disconnects" the trigger from the hammer or -- in the case of the Glock -- the striker) and you're ready to press the trigger again. So. It fires, ejects, and "automatically" loads another round into the chamber.
It's like calling your vehicle an automobile or a car. Both terms come from from the original "Automobile Carriage."
In short, you need everything but the frame, and even then, you need the "trigger housing" . . . whatever that is.
There are .22 conversion kits for the Colt's 45 ACP as well. Not a big deal . . . unless you consider how much they cost.The "advantage to these .22 conversion kits is simply . . . cheap ammunition.
Ken V.
The internal safety I was referring to is the trigger lock you mention. Its actually a three part internal safety that locks the trigger ( so we're talking about the same thing in different words).
And yes, 22's are cheap. I have a buddy that runs the guard staff at McNeil Corrections Facility in Washington. Big time gun guy. Militia, whole nine yards. He was thrilled a few years back when the Costco near him started selling 22 ammunition. He now has CRATES of it sealed and buried. Is always saying he hopes he uses it all before he dies but doubts it very much.
Like I said earlier in the thread, the five shot 22 derringer is small, but amazingly accurate and effective at the range you're going to be using it at. And its only $100 at most.
Jack in LA - pocket carry - law dawg - 08-16-2008
fpw Wrote:[SIZE="3"]Looks like Jack will have to visit LA in RJ-13 (once again, I don't have a working title) and he'll want a pocket carry for his short stay there. Suggestions? Nothing smaller than 9mm, preferably .40. [/SIZE]
You could have RJ do the "Joey" carry, which is pretty much any gun (he preferred a .357 or .38). What you do is strap the gun/rig to your thigh, then cut out the pocket so when you reach your hand into the pocket it goes right to the gun and makes it possible to carry a bigger firearm. Obviously RJ would want pants that aren't tight across the thigh for this type carry.
Jack in LA - pocket carry - law dawg - 08-16-2008
Ken Valentine Wrote:Especially when there are guns out there like the Kahr-40 Micro. I have a couple of Kahr's (no Micro's) and I like them.
Ken V.
You have good experiences with the Kahr? I've heard mixed reviews but I've been looking at picking one up in .40.
Jack in LA - pocket carry - law dawg - 08-16-2008
Ken Valentine Wrote:There are lots of 2-shot derringers on the market. Everything from .22 long rifle, to 45 ACP. Last Year, I rechambered a 45 ACP derringer so that it would shoot 45 Colt ammo. It kicks like a country Mule, but the owner likes it.I've seen one that shoots shotgun shells. I didn't have the courage to fire it, though.
Ken V.
Jack in LA - pocket carry - Ken Valentine - 08-17-2008
law dawg Wrote:You have good experiences with the Kahr? I've heard mixed reviews but I've been looking at picking one up in .40.I have found them to be accurate, reliable and of good quality. But as I said earlier, they are a pain to disassemble. You have to pull the slide back to a certain spot, and hold it there with one hand (not very easy with the heavy recoil spring) while you push out the slide-lock pin -- which I bonk out with a screw driver handle.
Ken V.
Jack in LA - pocket carry - Ken Valentine - 08-17-2008
law dawg Wrote:I've seen one that shoots shotgun shells. I didn't have the courage to fire it, though.The only one I know of fires a .410 shotgun shell, and I've never fired one. It might not be that bad, I understand that it also fires a .41 Magnum which might be even worse. But then, it's not something one would be shooting every day.
Ken V.