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Revenge of the Sith WITH SPOILERS!! - Maggers - 05-23-2005
I haven't read any of the preceding posts. Haven't a clue as to what has been said about this film thus far.
I saw it tonight and could barely keep my eyes open. There were moments that were enjoyable, but they were too few and far between.
I'm no Star Wars geek or fanatic. I really enjoyed the first, way back when, and was completely blown away by it. None of the sequels has moved me since.
I thought the acting in this one was uniformly awful and the writing, well, it was like listening to a comic book..oops, graphic novel.
At one point, Natalie Portman bursts out crying and it was a text book example of how not to cry authentically.
I went with a group of adults and kids. The kids enjoyed it. The adults hated it.
Revenge of the Sith WITH SPOILERS!! - Scott Hajek - 05-23-2005
Maggers Wrote:I went with a group of adults and kids. The kids enjoyed it. The adults hated it.
I was discussing this movie with someone today and figured out the above sentiment. I enjoyed the three "prequel" movies, but there was always some disappointment with each one. Either the dialogue was atrocious, the acting horrible or some aspect of the Star Wars mythos was trampled from what we once knew. And, it's in the last part that adults are disappointed and kids are thrilled. Kids growing up with the mystical wonderment of the first three movies had nothing to judge the negatives. We had the freshness of the movies and no basis to be judgemental. Unfortunately we all had to grow up and get "worldly." Watch the prequels without being judgemental and you will love them, just like the kids.
Revenge of the Sith WITH SPOILERS!! - Maggers - 05-23-2005
Scott Hajek Wrote:I was discussing this movie with someone today and figured out the above sentiment. I enjoyed the three "prequel" movies, but there was always some disappointment with each one. Either the dialogue was atrocious, the acting horrible or some aspect of the Star Wars mythos was trampled from what we once knew. And, it's in the last part that adults are disappointed and kids are thrilled. Kids growing up with the mystical wonderment of the first three movies had nothing to judge the negatives. We had the freshness of the movies and no basis to be judgemental. Unfortunately we all had to grow up and get "worldly." Watch the prequels without being judgemental and you will love them, just like the kids.
I understand what you're saying, but I simply think the movie was not good. No matter what the mystery or the history, if a film is badly written and badly acted, it's not going to fly with me. The original Star Wars was humorous and didn't take itself so seriously. Each prequel seemed more self important and ponderous than the last. There is a lugubriousness about this last one that was hard to take.
I fully expected the kids to love it. They'd never seen anything like it before, and being 9 and 11, they aren't the sort of discerning film critics we adults are, or would like to think we are.
However, I had a thoughtful, insightful and thoroughly delightful conversation about this last movie with my 11 year old friend and his mom. I think my little friend is going to grow up to be quite the film critic. He has some great ideas and a good eye.
Revenge of the Sith WITH SPOILERS!! - Jay #1 - 05-23-2005
Hey, I love comic books! *grin*
I'm 30 years old. But I decided that in the spirit of things, I could be a child again. So I enjoyed it immensely
Well, almost immensely,. It would have been a lot better if Jar-Jar randomly ran across the screen screaming "I'sa gonna die!!" followed by a maniacal Anakin with a light saber and a ticked off Wookie
Maggers Wrote:I thought the acting in this one was uniformly awful and the writing, well, it was like listening to a comic book..oops, graphic novel.
I went with a group of adults and kids. The kids enjoyed it. The adults hated it.
Revenge of the Sith WITH SPOILERS!! - Annice Burdeos - 05-23-2005
The Mad American Wrote:I actually enjoyed this movie and I really did not like the first 2 of this second trilogy. (other then the Count Dooku V. Yoda fight scene Episode 2 bored me to tears).
I have to say I really liked how the ending wrapped back around to the original Star Wars, with Vader having the nice Analog looking plate on his chest with the rocker switches and all and with the Nazi looking uniforms of the crew on the star cruiser they are on at the end.
The "Noooooo!!!" scene was indeed one of the weakest parts of the show, Darth Vader as the great villain that he is just didn't fit that part. Also, with Anakin killing the younglings, that kind of makes the whole "Luke, I am your Father" scene In ROTJ ring hollow to me, maybe its just me but after someone does something like slaughter a bunch of children I just can't see anything redeeming about them.
Definately gonna have to see this again as it was very late and there was a lot to take in.
Within the context of Vader having transitioned from at best a petulent teen to someone who actually does want to the rule the galaxy and stops at nothing to attain it, I did not have a problem with this act of his. And because it occurs off screen renders the act more powerful in the audience's imagination.
Perhaps Lucas is reminding use that the sins of the father DOES NOT/IS NOT
intra/intergenerational. At least that is my Masters in Public Health interpretation.
The audience I viewed this film with appreciated the way he becomes Vader and felt the ending was great. But there was some sadness too as this is the last film ever and one could found still the humanity in Anakin especially before he morphs totally into Vader.
Because I get to see a lot of films, this is by far the best film of the year for me. Rather it remains #1 will be determined after seeing Cinderella Man, War of the Worlds and Batman Begins over the next few weeks of summer.
Revenge of the Sith WITH SPOILERS!! - Maggers - 05-23-2005
I suspect "Revenge of the Sith" will wind up on my 10 worst films of 2005. We have many months to go, but nevertheless, since I could barely keep my eyes open....
Revenge of the Sith WITH SPOILERS!! - hford713 - 05-24-2005
And despite the original trilogy being Sci-Fi films - they were still somewhat grounded in reality.
For me, the EXCESSIVE CGI ruined the whole film (not to mention the acting, dialogue, plot holes, enitre [superfluous] wookie sequence, Palpatine groaning in seeming slow-mo, not understanding a word Yoda said, Portman as a whole, God-awful voice work - especially with Grievous and the other characters that were looped by Asian actors, endless shots of ships landing, crew disembarking, ships taking off, etc)
Ironically, the ONLY moment I was touched in the film was when Anakin was screaming in pain as his nubs headed into the molten-lava-highway. That was brutal.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a 36-year-old hardcore Star Wars fan (it was my life as a kid growing up) - I just feel George Lucas should have stepped back, analyzed EVERY SINGLE FRAME, and said to himself, "Ok, I owe the world. I've got to get this right."
I'll surely purchase the DVD, but don't think I'll visit the theater again to see it. (really sorry to be too critical)
Revenge of the Sith WITH SPOILERS!! - Blake - 05-24-2005
hford713 Wrote:And despite the original trilogy being Sci-Fi films - they were still somewhat grounded in reality.
Ummm... where? Lucas said from the beginning that Star Wars was science fantasy, not science fiction. (In science fiction, space ships shouldn't make noise -- though they often do.)
There's a 1977 interview with Lucas here where he talks about that. He also talks about the original Star Wars only being 25% of the movie he wanted it to be. Interesting to see it confirmed that he always held the opinion he was giving when the Special Editions came out.
hford713 Wrote:For me, the EXCESSIVE CGI ruined the whole film (not to mention the acting, dialogue, plot holes,
I've only spotted one minor one so far. Which plot holes are you referring to?
I didn't have a problem with the CGI at all, but that's me. Some people just seem opposed to it.
hford713 Wrote:enitre [superfluous] wookie sequence,
While it could be argued that having Yoda with the wookies specifically is superfluous (I thought Chewbacca's cameo was borderline stretching things myself), the sequence itself is not. The plot required Yoda to be away from the Jedi Temple when the massacre happens, and it also required an attempted assassination of Yoda so he would know things were going wrong.
hford713 Wrote:. . . not understanding a word Yoda said,
You're kidding, right?
hford713 Wrote:Portman as a whole,
I thought Portman did fine in this one overall. The only real weak scene is the one where she's brushing her hair, and that's due more to the dialogue than her performance.
hford Wrote:God-awful voice work - especially with Grievous and the other characters that were looped by Asian actors,
Where on earth did you get that? Grievous is voiced by Matthew Wood, who was also the sound designer. I'm not aware of any other characters being looped by Asian actors, either. Or did you see a dubbed version?
hford713 Wrote:endless shots of ships landing, crew disembarking, ships taking off, etc)
And this is different from the original trilogy how, exactly?
hford713 Wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm a 36-year-old hardcore Star Wars fan (it was my life as a kid growing up) - I just feel George Lucas should have stepped back, analyzed EVERY SINGLE FRAME, and said to himself, "Ok, I owe the world. I've got to get this right."
I've never understood that mentality. Lucas doesn't owe anybody a thing. Not a single piece of pocket lint. He didn't hold us all at gunpoint and force us to go see his movies. He just happened to make something most people seem to respond to (much to his own surprise).
And what makes you think Lucas doesn't analyze every single frame? It's pretty obvious he does. He considers himself to be in control of every single shot, along with the editing. He's made an occasional editing decision I don't like, but that's tough for me. They're his movies, not mine. And he doesn't owe me squat.
hford713 Wrote:I'll surely purchase the DVD, but don't think I'll visit the theater again to see it. (really sorry to be too critical)
I don't mind anybody not liking the movie. Heck, I've got a sister who's never liked a single Star Wars film, old or new. It's your reasons that seem dubious to me.
Blake
Revenge of the Sith WITH SPOILERS!! - Jay #1 - 05-24-2005
You know.... people can have as many opinions about the movies as they wish... but you have to admit, that this was his dream to get the movies created. There are many in life that do not fulfill their dreams. George did. So what if he screwed some things up, or that not everyone will see the movie a second time.
Revenge of the Sith WITH SPOILERS!! - jimbow8 - 05-24-2005
Jay #1 Wrote:You know.... people can have as many opinions about the movies as they wish... but you have to admit, that this was his dream to get the movies created. There are many in life that do not fulfill their dreams. George did. So what if he screwed some things up, or that not everyone will see the movie a second time.And he did almost all of it with only his own money. These six movies (at least five) were largely independent films. He made them the way he wanted without the usual studio influence.