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The Lovely Bones - cobalt - 01-18-2010
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After I found out just how many little girls that bastard raped and killed....I wanted him to suffer. I think one girl was 6 or 8 years old. It made me sick.
Yes, the angst and journey of the family was something to behold......I just wanted more.
The Lovely Bones - Bluesman Mike Lindner - 01-18-2010
AsMoral Wrote:THERE BE SPOILERS!!!!!See, Tony, I am a primitive. I think making a child hurter/killer suffer as his little victims did is a very good thing.
And I believe every mother of a little victim would agree.
A few years ago, I posted about a monster who raped a woman while holding a kinfe to her little girl's throat. The gang agreed no fire could be hot enough for him. And a week later--forget exactly--my barroom pal Brian the Cop told me the rapist met a very unfortunate "accident" in the showers at Riker's Island. He kinda got a broken neck.
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Dear me. How sad.:cryin:
He should have gotten fucked to death with a baseball bat.I wanted more vengence at first I think. But then I got to thinking...it isn't about making him pay. It was about the family trying to move on and heal. And they did, ultimately.
There is something to be said for Mr. Harvey's demise. It was almost divine in the perfect way everything lined up. He ended up exactly how he should have. In a ditch, not missed or worried about, his body undiscovered until the thaw...he was an afterthought.
Who knows why it happened that way? The story was not about revenge or the killer being dispatched in some heinous way. It was about acceptance of things beyond our control, coming to grips with tragedy, and seeing that it is not how you died but how you lived that was important.
I loved the story and was moved deeply by it on some philisophical way.
That post got all screwed-up, but I hope me meaning came through.
The Lovely Bones - Tony H - 01-18-2010
You sure did jack up that post! LOL
I understand the fact that people want vengence. BUT...it doesn't always happen that way. I thought it would have been very cliche for it to be all tied up in a tidy package. Alice Sebold strayed from convention.
It just doesn't happen to fit everyones definition of justice. The fact that it appeared to be doled out by a higher power and was quick is bothersome in the sense that he did not feel the fear that his victims did.
You can look at it as he died accidentally and it was unjust and too good for the character. He should have suffered and felt fear and pain, just like his MANY victims.
But, in the in between, the victims did not cry out for vengence. They were at peace with what had become of them and seemed to know what was in store. Holly, one of the victims and guide to Susie in the "In Between" summed it up nicely. "You have to move on...everyone dies."
It is really just a matter of opinion I guess. I thought the ending was fitting and laced with irony and perfect.
The Lovely Bones - Bluesman Mike Lindner - 01-18-2010
AsMoral Wrote:You sure did jack up that post! LOL
I understand the fact that people want vengence. BUT...it doesn't always happen that way. I thought it would have been very cliche for it to be all tied up in a tidy package. Alice Sebold strayed from convention.
It just doesn't happen to fit everyones definition of justice. The fact that it appeared to be doled out by a higher power and was quick is bothersome in the sense that he did not feel the fear that his victims did.
You can look at it as he died accidentally and it was unjust and too good for the character. He should have suffered and felt fear and pain, just like his MANY victims.
But, in the in between, the victims did not cry out for vengence. They were at peace with what had become of them and seemed to know what was in store. Holly, one of the victims and guide to Susie in the "In Between" summed it up nicely. "You have to move on...everyone dies."
It is really just a matter of opinion I guess. I thought the ending was fitting and laced with irony and perfect.
You're a kind man, Tony. I am a primitive. Old Testament sort.
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If you haven't read NIGHTWORLD...
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I found it very satisfying Rasalom will fall eternally, with nothing to do but gnaw and scream and fall and fall and fall.
The Lovely Bones - saynomore - 01-19-2010
It was nice to see Jackson go back to his "Heavenly Creatures" style. It worked perfectly for this novel; however, the novel was too ethereal and philosophical to capture 100%. But I'll settle for the 75% it achieved. Tony hits the nail on the head with his review. I feel sorry for the people who have not read the book and expect a horror movie where the bad guy gets his at the end, or worse, becomes a Freddy or Jason. Perhaps in the extended Director's Cut DVD, we'll get more of the missing parts of the novel.
AC
P.S. Tony, the narrative voice in your review is controlled and structured. This is your skill. You disappear into the narrator and only the narrator's story/review is seen. This is the skill I would like to see applied in your fictional works. If it works in nonfiction, it should work in fiction. Hope you're still writing/rewriting.
The Lovely Bones - Tony H - 01-19-2010
Thanks AC! Yes, I am still writing. Doing movie reviews and such for the Genrefinity site and working on a second novel. I wrote several scripts for our original web comedy (Episode 3 is filming at the end of this month) and I am writing a newsletter for distribution in Little Rock.
I understand what you mean about letting the narrative take over and disappear from the story. I guess the issue with my first book was that it was written over the course of a couple of years.
You can tell where I edited t because the edited parts were much better than the original stuff. More philisophical and less sarcastic. I guess I used the first book as a way to have MY voice heard versus having the characters heard. Live and learn.
The Lovely Bones - GeraldRice - 01-19-2010
The porn industry is going to have a field day with this title.
The Lovely Bones - Libby - 01-31-2010
I thought it was very good, but the actress who played Suzie Salmon annoyed me when she [SPOILER]posessed the cool poet girl, and got to have he first kiss, her smile looked so forced and there was no shyness in her expression. That is just one example, but her acting was only so-so throught the film. The guy who played Mr. Harvey was a genius though. And the end, the way he died was perect, right after a potential victem rejected him. The icicle falling on him was also a good touch.[/SPOILER]
The Lovely Bones - Tony H - 02-03-2010
Libby Wrote:I thought it was very good, but the actress who played Suzie Salmon annoyed me when she [SPOILER]posessed the cool poet girl, and got to have he first kiss, her smile looked so forced and there was no shyness in her expression. That is just one example, but her acting was only so-so throught the film. The guy who played Mr. Harvey was a genius though. And the end, the way he died was perect, right after a potential victem rejected him. The icicle falling on him was also a good touch.[/SPOILER]
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In the book she wasn't shy. In fact, the scene you talk about was way more explicit in the book. she didn't come back to him for just a kiss.
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